- 1 How Long Does it Take to Get a Car Loan From a Bank?
- 2 How Long Does It Take To Make Real Profits Or Good Money With An Online Business?
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How Long Does it Take to Get a Car Loan From a Bank?
If you apply online for a bank auto loan, it can take just a few minutes in order for you to get approval after the bank checks your creditworthiness. If you actually go to the bank, it could take a little longer only because you have to wait until a representative is available to help you and the person-to-person interaction also takes up time. If you have little credit history, or a spotty credit record, expect the process to take longer and the bank to want more proof of income and other evidence of your suitability to receive a loan. Before applying, have all the necessary documentation on hand.
In order to receive a bank car loan, you ordinarily must be a U.S. citizen or hold permanent resident status. You might need to make a down payment. Loan amounts and term limits come into play. Banks might not finance the purchase of particular vehicles, including those that are rebuilt or salvaged. Models that have been eliminated might also be ineligible.
If you already have a relationship with a bank, check out its requirements for preapproved loans. You can receive preapproval without naming the vehicle you intend to purchase, as you are still shopping around. After you fill out the form, whether online or in person, the bank runs a credit check. If you qualify, you generally have 30 days to decide on a car and complete the process.
Jane Meggitt has been a writer for more than 20 years. In addition to reporting for a major newspaper chain, she has been published in "Horse News," "Suburban Classic," "Hoof Beats," "Equine Journal" and other publications. She has a Bachelor of Arts in English from New York University and an Associate of Arts from the American Academy of Dramatics Arts, New York City.
How Long Does It Take To Make Real Profits Or Good Money With An Online Business?
I receive many questions via email every single day but my #1 most asked question is…
How long do you think it will take for me to make money with my business?
Here’s another common permutation of this same question…
I need to be able to make money in 6 months, can it be done?
And finally my favorite…
Can I expect to make 100K in the first year with my online store like you did? One year ought to be enough runway right?
So here’s the truth.
Brand new entrepreneurs are horrible at predicting how far they can get with their businesses in the short term.
In fact, they often grossly overestimate how much money they can make in their first year. But on the flip side, they also grossly underestimate how much they can make in 3+ years with their businesses as well.
So anytime a reader or a student asks me any of the above questions, I immediately start to question their commitment and how serious they are about starting a real business.
It’s because when someone asks me how much they can make in 6 months, it usually means that they are only willing to stick it out for 6 months to see if their business idea has a chance. This is not enough time!
Starting a business takes commitment. And I don’t mean a year or a few years. When I say commitment, I’m talking about giving it a go for at least 3-5 years.
When my wife and I started our online store, we were in it for the long haul. Although we set a goal to make 100K before the baby arrived, we were ready to work at it and keep the store afloat indefinitely until we got the formula correct.
If we didn’t have this mentality, we might have quit at 6 months because sales were not where we wanted them to be.
We weren’t convinced that the store could ever make enough money to supplant my wife’s income.
We didn’t believe that our market was large enough. We didn’t think that we could crack the first page of search to get the necessary traffic.
What’s funny is that we started our online store with this delusion of grandeur that our business would start making decent money within the first 3 months. After all, we had what we thought was a fool proof strategy.
Our initial plan was to siphon away EBay customers by posting auctions online and steering them over to our online store through links in the auction description.
Then, we would roam the wedding forums and guide customers over to our shop by making recommendations to would-be brides.
But what ended up happening is that we violated EBay’s terms of service and got our account temporarily suspended for posting external links on auctions. Furthermore, we repeatedly got banned on the wedding forums for being overly promotional.
There are no shortcuts. You have to be in it for the long haul.
If you are wondering whether you can start making money right away because you are in a desperate situation, then chances are you lack the resolve to see your business idea through.
But here’s what is interesting about human nature. When my wife and I reached our goal of making 100K during the end of our first year of business, we were overjoyed.
But at that point we didn’t think we could do it again.
We didn’t think that our business could possibly grow any more. From our perspective, the business had peaked!
After all, it was a major struggle for us to reach that number in the first place because it involved so much legwork and a little bit of luck. In fact, we didn’t think that we could achieve the same sales pace ever again.
What we didn’t realize was that the first year was just the tip of the iceberg. Every year since then, our business has increased in the double and triple digits! Never in a million years did we think that this could happen.
Which brings me to reiterate my second point.
As humans, we often overestimate what we can accomplish in the short term, but we vastly underestimate what can be done in the long run.
When I first started MyWifeQuitHerJob.com, I was hoping to start making significant money within a year of launch.
Even though I started my blog with a 5 year plan towards profitability, I full on expected to be making at least 5 figures by the end of year 1.
But in reality, it wasn’t until well into year 3 when I started to see hockey stick growth. Today, the blog is practically growing on autopilot.
When I first launched my Create A Profitable Online Store course, I was only hoping to sign on about 30 students. But today, I have over 70X that amount and the course’s growth continues to surprise me!
The key to running any successful business is to set the right expectations and the right level of commitment.
When my wife and I began our online store in 2007, we full on planned to still be in business in 2012. When I started my blog in the end of 2008, I full on planned to still be blogging 5 years later.
When I launched my “Create A Profitable Online Store” course in 2011, I made a long term commitment to continuously add content to the course for many years to come.
Even though the course started out with practically no content, today I have well over 100 hours of video in the course and a 400 page PDF ebook to show for it. And the best part is that the course continues to grow and evolve!
Most people quit their businesses within their first year. If you aren’t willing to devote at least 3-5 years to your business, don’t even bother. Why? Because most of the wealth and the profits are to be had well after your first year.
Expecting your business to be vastly profitable within a short time frame is a half assed way to think about your business.
During the first year of any online business, your website is probably not going to have superior search engine placement. Your business probably won’t have a large customer base. Your business probably won’t have much name recognition.
It takes time for word of mouth to spread. It takes time for things to snowball. Looking back at my blog, I didn’t think that I was getting anywhere at all after year 1. But after doing this for 7 years now, I look back and am completely amazed at how far I’ve come.
Here’s the biggest problem that I see with most people.
They expect to make a significant amount of money in under a year and then they give up when they don’t reach their goal. I’ve had several students in my course give up early and even had an extremely talented student give up on his online store after just 6 months!
The first year is going to be tough and the most awkward. After all, you know nothing during your first year. Even if you have a great mentor or teacher, you still may not be able to absorb everything right away. So you’ll make mistakes…but that’s fine!
That first year is also when you’ll be having the most fun because you’ll be learning a heck of a lot. Year 1 should not be your end game. Instead, you should treat year 1 as your learning year and expect to reap the rewards in the years ahead.
In a recent survey conducted among students in my Create A Profitable Online Store Course, 56% of students in my class who launched a product and stuck it out for a full year are now making AT LEAST 4 figures per month.
One of the most unfortunate aspects of human nature is that we all love shortcuts. We all love to believe that we can strike it rich in just 6 months.
Don’t get me wrong. It’s still possible to make a good chunk of change during your first year but you should go into it expecting to commit at least 3-5 years.
Now if you’re going to commit to a business for 3-5 years, you also want to make sure your business model has long term potential.
Everywhere you look, there are a number of “make quick cash” types of schemes out there on the Internet. And yes, some of these might actually work but only in the short term.
For example, there’s a popular scheme right now where people buy up goods on Amazon and sell them on EBay at higher prices and lots of people are making money this way.
But do you think this “business model” can last?
Most people are attracted to businesses that are “as easy as possible to make money” but I’m the complete opposite.
The harder it is to start your business, the more lasting power it will have.
The more value you can add, the more money you will make.
So before you choose an online business model, ask yourself how you are adding value.
Is buying up surplus goods online and selling them on Amazon providing more value than coming up with your own branded products to sell?
Are you spending all of your time trying to make short term money that will never scale?
Before you decide what to do, make sure you check out my post on the pros and cons of 8 different ecommerce business models and choose wisely.
The key to finding the right business to pursue is to avoid randomly pulling yourself in all directions at once.
Don’t throw up a bunch of businesses, give them a go for 6 months as a trial and then take them all down because they aren’t working out.
You should go into every business venture with a full commitment to put your best foot forward. Are you still going to want to be running this business in 3-5 years? If you don’t think you’ll be able to maintain your interest for that long, then don’t even bother.
What you want to avoid is starting over every 6 months. If this is happening to you, then you aren’t committed and you are calling it quits without giving your business a chance to grow into something bigger.
Remember, most of the profits for your business are going to occur after 3-5+ years so make sure that you pick something that you are willing to maintain for at least that long.
In fact once you’ve decided what you want to do, take “time” out of the equation altogether. Don’t give yourself ANY artificial constraints on how well you need to perform in a given time frame.
Instead, make your business a part of your daily or weekly routine.
Set aside some time, the same time, every day or week to work on your business.
Just work on it on a regular basis and tell yourself that you are going to maintain this routine FOREVER!
This way, your business will be a part of your life and time becomes irrelevant.
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51 thoughts on “How Long Does It Take To Make Real Profits Or Good Money With An Online Business?”
That’s why I’m so glad I created a project to do with playing guitar because I’m never going to stop doing that.
Projects that you are passionate about are the best and have the most staying power! Just as long as it doesn’t turn your hobby into a chore:)
The only down side is that I’m not spending all my free time making music. But on the plus side it pushes me to do more research and improve my knowledge of music theory.
And of course the dream is to be able to support myself full time with this and other projects so that I can live a more flexible life style and spend more time on music.
Wow couldn’t have come at a better time! I was just thinking man, there’s no way I’ll be making six figures anytime soon…and I was questioning my choices. However what you say makes total sense. And we need to be patient and work consistently, even when things seem less than ideal. I do believe in my niche, I just have to change my original strategy a bit to make it work well…that’s business, though!
I think you are proceeding correctly with your link building. SEO takes a while to kick in. I have faith!
I think the 3rd year is make or break too. Well, at least you should have a really good idea of how much your business can make in the 3rd year. I don’t think I’m going to make 6 figures anytime soon though. I’ll give it another year or two and see where it takes me.
I didn’t know about your other site! Takes courage to retire early and I admire you for it!
Is that 400 page pdf ebook available anywhere?
Tracey, you should have received it already when you signed up for the course:)
This info actually helps to take the pressure off a bit. It’s very grounding to hear the realistic experiences and expectations for starting and running an online store. Thanks.
Just wanted to reset everyone’s expectations to be more realistic, especially if you are starting from ground zero:)
Great post and although it’s so hard sometimes to keep going, having the knowledge that you know what you’re building, that it will come together, and that user growth will eventually be exponential takes faith!
Well said Marshall!
Yep! First year in business [last year] by this time in December 1st thru 13th… 9 lousy orders. This year so far, for December 1st thru 13th, 124 orders.
Longevity. Almost all the same products selling as last year — just finally getting found because I’ve been around enough for Google to notice me and get a few of my product listings on the first page. I’m sure there are more things I could be doing to make that faster, but for the amount of effort I am putting in, I’m happy with the progress.
That is pretty amazing growth! What do you attribute to most of your increase in sales? Has it been all Google or did you start marketing your shop in a different way?
When I first started my blog, I was just excited whenever we got a new comment or a new subscriber. The first $100 didn’t come for 5 months, and I think we made $4,000 in the first year (most of it in months 11 and 12). The second year blew away my expectations and we made over $60k. We’re a few months into our third year now and on pace to bring in about $80k.
The first year is basically building the foundation for the growth that will come afterwards.
Thanks for the pep talk Steve (and commenters). I kind of like to think of the first year like an internship, or going to school. It’s after the “promotion” or “graduation” that it starts to pay off.
Anytime Denny! Don’t get discouraged.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! We launched our site 8 days ago (it took us almost 6 months of work and product creation to get to that point). Now we’ve been trying to work on learning everything about Google Adwords, social media, SEO, etc. Last night we watched one of your videos and you said that it took you guys a few months to iron out your Adwords campaign. I think we assumed you just got online, sat down for 3 hours and magically the orders came pouring in. While our goal for year one is much, much more modest than 100k, it’s great to be continually reminded that this first year is all about learning… and that it takes more than a few hours to become an expert.
I think that your online store looks amazing and your product descriptions are superb! Looking forward to giving your site a more in-depth critique after the holidays:)
Hi Steve! I love that your initial plans to generate traffic ended up getting you banned as spammers, but instead of cursing your bad luck and giving up you adjusted your plans and found the path to success. I made many mistakes when I started blogging and some shortcuts I took ended getting me nowhere. Now I know it is better to spurn the shortcuts and stay the course.
And I truly believe most people who fail simply gave up too soon. Success was probably right around the next corner but they quit before they could see it.
Good to hear from you. I think the single best thing we both did was to join the Mafia:) Especially with blogging, it’s often a numbers game as well as a waiting game with the search engines assuming you put out great content.
Your journey is an inspiration for me to build a business. Have been putting off the idea for so long.
It works the same offline as well. I have worked with many entrepreneurs that have 2-5 years in and they are just bumping along and getting by and then all of the sudden their work gets noticed and they start to take off. I think that a 3 year commitment (of three years of hard work) is really the minimum. Of course, I wouldn’t mind if my store became the exception to that!
Thanks for the reality check, Steve. I think the message of instant Internet riches that’s so pervasive right now, actually stops a lot of people from starting real businesses because they think if they haven’t made it in a few months, that they’re missing out on something else and switch. For the first three months with my online store, I had two orders, but now I get new orders every day. I can see how the things I’m learning about marketing the site, improving SEO and letting word spread are actually having an effect.
Online business is a very volatile business and anything could happen from seo black list to being banned from money making affiliate schemes. So its better to start a business with an open mind that perhaps nothing will come out of it.
Loved the article, especially the very motivating “we underestimate the long-term” part
This was a great article with many nuggets that most people will miss. Thanks for the great post. I have been in a Home Based Business opportunity for the past 4 1/2 years and I hate to see so many people make a brash judgment on a business that they have never even investigated fully. Do your due diligence and research any opportunity fully before you make the mistake of writing anything off.
By doing so, you may find an opportunity of a lifetime!
May All your Ventures Be Met With Success,
Thank you for this article and the information you send me/all of us every week. It has helped me to start getting back on track and feeling good about myself again.
I’ve had a couple of small businesses already that did not work out the way I had planned. They were a great experience and I don’t regret having them but it has left me a little gun shy to start something new, particularly online. I had a misconception of what it meant to own and operate my own business, I didn’t realize what kind of strength and character and major planning it took to see it through. One thing I know is that it cannot solely be about the money or it won’t work. I speak from experience. You need to have a connection, a passion to your chosen business and a real desire to help, inspire and connect with others. That’s what it’s truly all about. Once you have those key foundations in place, the money will come.
I was almost going to give up on the online idea and unsubscribe from your newsletter and then I had a change of heart. I have been rebuilding myself from the ground up and regaining my self-confidence. I’d been working on it for a while but it just wasn’t coming together. But thank the Lord, all the work I had done (on myself) finally paid off and things have started to click again and the ideas are starting flow. What a great feeling. Thank you for being a part of that.
I am very new to online blogging and I was thrilled to have 16 readers today. I am hunting for lots of online inspiration and found you on Boomer & Echo.
From the other how to blog blogs I have been reading people do expect that hoards of readers and income will flock to their sites as soon as they start to post.
Not sure if I am prepared to stick with it for 5 years to see results but determined to give it 2 years of time and effort (on top of my day job).
Staying focused and being consistent is insurance for success online. It can lead to some long nights but it’s worth it!
Thank you, I will not give up
Hi, thanks for the great article. I am going to show it to my wife, since i just started my online business and she keeps asking when we are going to be making money. I know it won’t happen overnight but everyday that i learn something new i know i am getting closer to my goals.
this topic is quite tricky I think. People should be counting the time when they launch the online store, not when they register the business. I think many people thinks that they will register the business on Monday, on Tuesday they find supplier, on Wednesday they setup the store, on Thursday they will launch it and from Friday the orders will start rolling in…
In my opinion it should be splitted into two phases – setting up the business and store, and launchig the store and marketing it. The first phase can take from days to months, but the second phase will be always the same – from 3-6 months to see first results ( not 6 figures ).
I started my business in January 2012, but launched my store in May 2013. The main reason why it took me so long is that I am not living in US… Also, I started the business based on the worst reasons – I was short of money each month and it seemed to me very easy to register business over internet and start selling on Amazon right away. But with time I changed my mind significantly.
I did rethink why I am having and want to run my own business – to create something valuable, to help people in lighting industry to get the right and high quality products for their needs. Also, I did rethink my goals – make $40k till the end of 2013 to be able to pay my personal debt I have and to have enough money for one year living without a day job and to be able to focus fully on my own business.
As a 3-5yrs goal I would like to grow the store in order to become number one in the lighting industry.
I think, most of the people are in similar situation as I was last year to make some quick money. I dont think they expect to make 6 figures within 6months. Same as I dont expect to make it. But 40k is not much for 6months, while one already know about SEO, marketing, etc… What could be a bit confusing is that in some other post you mentioned that when you launched your store, you started with Adwords and orders started to roll in almost immediatelly. Here you say something a bit different.
But this article is quite right, it is better to expect less short term and more long term. Maybe I will not reach my goal to be number one in five year, but even number two or three will be success! If I think to be in top ten in five years, I’ll probably reach only top 20 or even not make single dollar at all…
Anyway, thank you very much for your straight forward posts, easy to read!
I am so glad I stumbled upon your website. So informative and therapeutic as well…
I recently launched my online baby boutique in July 2013, roughly 4 months ago. I have had a total of 9 sales this is including a few friends. I know it takes time for an online business to grow but it has been a month now and i have had ZERO sales.
I am on facebook, twitter, pinterest, tumblr, and instagram. I feel a bit overwhelmed.
I do update on a weekly basis, if i could do more i would but i have a full time job and I am also a single mother. This reason alone, I must succeed. I do not have any interest in selling other products, this is sort of a passion project as well as a business. I love the childrens fashion industry. So I’m on the right track, right? I am not looking at this as a short term business but I have been feeling discouraged. I have to be honest, I do the minimal on my social media except for instagram, it’s so much fun!
any advice and tips would be helpful for a gal like myself. Again, I love your story and your journey to success.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the comment and best of luck to you with your online store! If you have any specific questions, I can try to answer them.
Thanks for your reply! I do have a couple of questions. Can I depend on social media only? At this point, i don’t really have enough funds to pay for ads…I was hoping once business picks up i can then look into shelling out some money for my business. Is that a silly question??
Such an incredible article. And so so true as far as business goes. Most of us are impatient and want success to quick. But commitment makes the difference + a longevity mindset.
Thanks for giving me my first early afternoon laugh with the person who emailed you this….
“Can I expect to make 100K in the first year with my online store like you did? One year ought to be enough runway right?”
I love this post!! It can take a while to get momentum but when you do your business generally grows with a lot more momentum. I think it has to be a reflection on our instant gratification society – if we don’t get any traction right away it must not be working. I always think be to the old are you interested or committed. You will only have the patient to keep working if you are actually committed!
Great article Steve. There are so many factors involved at running a business that its nearly impossible to predict how much you will earn from the start.
Great article, it gives small businesses hope to keep trying and not give up.
I started my online business on the side of my full time job in the hopes of one day giving up my job and doing my online business full time.
I’ve been going now for around 3 years and it’s definately grown but not as much as I would have liked, I haven’t been able to give up my full time job yet.
I’d love if you could take a look at my website and see what changes I could make to improve sales.
Thanks for sharing your awesome piece of content
Remember that the ‘key to success is to stay in the game’. Will there even be a slim chance of victory if we give up and quit too soon?
No, we are done at least for now. However, if we can just keep trying, even in the face of not seeing any tangible results over an extended period, there is still a chance things will start improving as we grow along.
This is exactly my experience.
I started with a Kickstarter three years ago to prove the market for the product and the price point.
For the first year it seemed like I was not pushing the boulder up the hill, not even holding it in place, rather simply trying to keep it from rolling back and crushing me. This year started with it staying put by itself, and just in the past few months it’s got energy of its own. Just like you said Steve about the timing. Wow!
Commitment is key. Mine was either succeed or have to get in my truck every day, leave my animals and farm, and go to a real job. I simply could not accept failing. It’ been a lonely, scary road, but failure was not an option.
To your point too about businesses that are harder to start having lasting power, and that the more value you add the more money you can make: I have reinvented the cuckoo clock, designing them for the American aesthetic. My first design has sold over 250 this year at $395 each, and my second design just came out, with a third hot on its heels. The factory manager came over from Germany to meet me because as he said, what I’m doing is where his growth is. Wow! I’ve created my own niche within a niche. In the next couple of weeks I’ll break $100K in revenue for the year. I still haven’t paid myself (and am living on fumes — yes, it takes longer than you’d ever imagine!) because I need more than one design to cover my overhead. So, I put everything back in the business and have even gone from zero debt to using credit cards (cheaper than a business loan) to fund more clocks. A business is a long term project. Which is why it’s so incredibly rewarding. I’ve put every fiber of my being into it and after nearly three years I’m seeing the results.
Business is the most thrilling theme park ride imaginable. If you buy a ticket, buckle in!
Such an excellent post Steve. Everyone starting a business should read it!
Thank you so much for this post. It’s the exact thing I needed this morning!
Your 56% statistic is simply awesome, albeit it’s revenue, so one could assume that net profits are anywhere between 30-60% of those monthly numbers. I suggest you test highlighting that chart on your sales page to increase conversions. Lots of “gurus” sell their courses and even publish student case studies but rarely do they mention how many students out of those who signed up actually see significant results! This leads me to believe that you successfully dismantle barriers for the majority of your students in your course. I’ve taken relatively expensive courses in the past only to feel burned once inside, but your honest advice, top notch materials, and 56% statistic makes your course go on my wishlist.
“The key to finding the right business to pursue is to avoid randomly pulling yourself in all directions at once.”
So true. I got distracted and tried to take shortcuts, which cost me dearly. In Oct 2014 I bought an expired domain because it was perfect for a brand I wanted to build. As I started building the site I noticed there was already traffic coming from a few huge sites (top 10k in Alexa). So, instead of doing what I originally wanted, I got distracted and thought “hey, I’ll set up an Amazon Affiliate account, rebuild some of the pages getting traffic, and make money that way!” I dropped my original idea, spent time building the pages, and started paying to get content built out. One of my shortcuts was using an Amazon shopping cart plugin. Turns out it was setting cookies when it wasn’t supposed to, so I got banned from Amazon. I got discouraged and let the site sit there instead of going back to my original idea. Big mistake!
Three months ago I came across a site doing exactly what I was originally planning to do and it was growing in leaps and bounds. Over 50,000 Pinterest followers, Alexa rating around 500k and gaining rapidly (now it’s around 160k). Turns out the domain wasn’t even registered until Jan 2016! Instead of being 15 months ahead of this site, I’m now 7 months behind.
After seeing this site, I dusted off my old domain and started adding one post, one Pinterest pin, and one Facebook post per day. First post was on July 15. On August 29 I got my first bump in traffic through Pinterest (110 visitors), then another bump, and another. September 1st had 127 unique visitors, September 30 had 3,739! My highest day so far has been over 4,500 uniques. Traffic jumps up and down quite a bit since it is mainly from Pinterest right now, but overall it is growing nicely. My email list has grown to over 800 subscribers so far. I kick myself for not doing this TWO YEARS AGO! (I just checked and a week from today will be two years from when I bought the domain.)
I guess that was a long story to show others what *not* to do and how easy it is to go down the wrong path! Don’t get distracted, don’t take shortcuts. Solid advice from Steve!
I really liked this post as it’s straight to the point and no-nonsense.
Congrats to all your success with your student’s using your course to build online businesses.
With 100 hours of video and over 400 pages in pdf content it, it’s easy to see why your students are succeeding with your course!
As always, I look forward to all your posts… keep up the amazing work
I love your blog and podcast! I think there’s no other website I tune in so regularly to catch up with the latest posts and podcasts! So thanks a million for all the hard work you’re putting into it! This article is one of the best I’ve read in a while and I agree with you 100%! Building a successful business is a long-term venture and after just one year it’s nearly impossible to tell if a business model is profitable or not.
All the best, Emily
Wow,Thank you so much for this article.I was searching online for just this some piece of information that is indeed telling me that I can not see a result just in 6 months time.I was getting a little desperate but thanks to you will continue my journey
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- 5 and 1/2 years, or more – usually part time: below 12 credits
- 2 and 1/2 to 4 years depending on the school – usually you can’t manipulate the program to go faster or slower – but, there are exceptions to this general rule
- 1 and 1/2 to 2 and 1/2 years with a maxed-out class load – super-full-time: this may depend on the school, prior permission may be required
- 2 to 3 and 1/2 years is the norm – usually full time: may depend on the school
- 2 and 1/2 to 3 and 1/2 – with a Masters degree in certain desirable science based programs and/or Forensic Science degree: prior permission to take on higher class load may be required, usually having an advanced degree (ie. MS in Forensic Science) expedites the fast track – not all schools work this way, so it’s always wise to make sure before you start.
- 4 to 6 years is the norm – usually full time: the length of the degree may depend on the school
Just remember that a Forensic Science degree is not a “walk in the park” – it is a science based degree for which not everyone is “cut out” for. This degree track will require more initiative than others, but the rewards are vast and if you like to solve crimes through the use of brains, rather than brawn, this is a great route to go. I hope this helps you. Good luck!
Thinking of a Law Degree Online? Think Twice About Online Law Schools
Article written by Radek Gadek
Radek holds a Master’s degree in Criminal Justice from Boston University. He is currently doing consulting work and runs this blog to provide relevant information on criminal justice degrees, colleges and related careers.
Hi, I am currently a freshmen at a state college majoring in Criminal Justice. I have 2 questions. First off, I know mostly everything on television dealing with crime scene investigation is fake. However, is there any job where I would visit crime scenes and collect evidence like a crime scene investigator but not have to run science experiments? My criminal justice major doesn’t deal much with science classes but I would like to be something like a crime scene investigator, even though I don’t have a huge science background. I am also trying to make as much money as possible. I have thought about law school, but besides a lawyer what job or path should I take that involves the highest salary somewhat dealing with the criminal justice field? Sorry this was so long and wordy, thanks.
You’re right, most tv shows have a huge Hollywood flare, but there are a few good ones that you should see.
1. Crime 360 on A&E
2. Forensic Files on TruTV
3. 48 Hours on A&E
All three deal with forensic science and crime scene investigation.
As a crime scene investigator you don’t have to perform very complex science experiments – that’s what the crime labs are for. However, you will have to perform calculations and data collection, amongst small scale experiments, that are based on physics, chemistry, and mathematics; plus other sciences. There’s no other way to do that. WHY? As a crime scene investigator you’ll be responsible for collecting data in the crime scene. This data can be blood, bullets and their trajectory (pattern of flight), and fingerprints (out of many more). This is why a crime scene investigator has to have a little more brains than brawn. Preserving the integrity of the crime scene and evidence is no small task and one little mistake can mean the difference between a finalized murder case against the suspect or no case at all.
Crime Scene Investigators are not rewarded in gold. The salary is often lower than that of a law enforcement officer depending on geographical location. A CSI with superb forensic science knowledge and the education to back it can be handsomely rewarded through consulting jobs.
Law school is a great option, but it will require a little soul searching – “Is that really what I want to do?” Not all lawyers make a lot.
To help you out with the last question – highest paying position in criminal justice field – see the careers section of the site and click on the appropriate career option (top navigation menu).
Yes I am a worker currently enrolled in forensic science I work for a great company who does hands on with Freshmans at school. I have a Masters Degree in my work of arts the business is good money pays well. If you feel as if you want to be a lawyer you can always work with different cases and people just as well as we do, our work does more with science but a lawyer would be just fine if you like that more.
Do what makes you happy
Thank you for the quick and very helpful response to the last question. One more thing, if I were to transfer to a different college to start my sophomore year and major in sociology would I still be able to qualify for jobs further down the road such as a detective, crime scene investigator, or homicide detective? I live in Massachusetts and UMass Amherst is my most desirable school but doesn’t offer criminal justice, so sociology is the next closest thing.
Most law enforcement professions need a general educational goal. Whether it is 60 credit hours or a Bachelor’s degree the requirement for the area of study can be virtually anything as long as you go to a properly accredited college or university. So no worries there. However, there may be certain courses that you may need, and perhaps certificates, that are pertinent to a CSI. Many CSIs don’t have all the credentials when they start and acquire them on the job. This is entirely dependent on the organization you would work with.
University of Massachusetts – Amherst is a great option for transfer, however be warned that sociology is a broader field than criminal justice and you may not have the opportunity to explore criminal justice matters in-depth. Ask a representative of the school about what the program entails.
There are also Forensic Science programs out there that are either a part of a criminal justice curriculum or are the bulk of your studies. Something worth to look at, especially that a Bachelor’s degree in _____________ will help you obtain a job as a police officer, which leads to a detective career (most detective candidates must take the detective exam), or a crime scene investigator (with added courses wherever applicable).
in forensic science do u analyze collected data from csi people i mean what do you do.
Check out the career section of the site in the top navigation menu. It has quite a few forensic science careers listed with detailed information on job specific duties, and more…
i m experienced of forensic medicine as medical teacher since 1989.
i have been immigrated to USA.
kindly guide me a carrier and requirement for the same in usa.
Hi.. I am 14 and a freshman in high school. I love the tv shows ” CSI ” or ” Criminal Minds “. And i want to become a Forensic Scientist. However, i want to know the salary for a scientist. Also a background. Like is it like Criminal minds where they go to the crime scenes take pictures of evidence and analyze it at the lab? Or what? Next i need to know an estimated amount of school after high school. Also me and my girlfriend both want to become forensic scientists. Could we open like a business? Or something like that? Email me at [ removed for privacy reasons ]. Thanks man, appreciate it! (:
My name is Paulina and I graduated with my BA in Criminal Justice from Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, FL. The school was local for me and the tuition was less expensive than UF and UCF so the choice was obvious. However, there really isn’t a very strong group of career counselors or anyone at FAU who can point you in the right direction once you are done with your BA in CJ, so I’ve been trying to figure it out on my own. But now I have been done with school for over a year and still have not been able to get a job in the CJ field.
Unfortunately, while I was in school, I had to work full time to pay for tuition so I couldn’t do any CJ internships or volunteer work because everything available was only during M-F 9-5, and virtually no volunteer opportunities on weekends or evenings when I was not working. I’ve been applying to city jobs in CJ field and getting no responses, even though the only qualifications required for these positions are a degree in Criminal Justice, I think there is nothing that sets me apart from the other candidates.
I’ve been thinking about doing a master’s degree online in CJ to try to get more education and differentiate myself from other job applicants, since I cannot do an internship or volunteer work. I’m not sure if a masters in Criminal Justice will be beneficial to me because I am not interested in Law school, I am more so interested in forensics or investigative computer work.
I heard of a school called Henley Putnam which has more unique programs but I’m not sure if a degree from that school looks good to potential employers? I am also not able to relocate so I am limited to job opportunities in South Florida and online masters degree programs. Do you have any suggestions on what online masters program you could recommend as well as any career suggestions? I greatly appreciate any help! Thank you!
In certain municipalities, counties, and states the hunt for a career is exactly that: a hunt; many times a treacherous one. I would recommend applying to regional agencies and other municipalities. Have you considered the Federal Govt.; you may be placed near by within certain agencies?
Despite my recommendations, it may be hard for ANYONE to find ANY work with or without an advanced degree (Master’s, PhD, or JD). The economy hasn’t relinquished its grasp on local economies, and quite frankly, people are not letting go of their careers or retiring as much as to avoid being in a financial bind.
There will be many people who have same qualifications as you. Internships, volunteer work, and prior experience do make you stand out more. But, you did say that you are interested in Forensics and Computer Investigations; perhaps taking a Master’s in Forensic Science or Computer Forensics. BTW a Law degree and a Master’s in Criminal Justice degree are two different things, so if you do like CJ, then you don’t have to worry about the LSAT and other law school application stuff.
Paulina, and the rest of the readers, make sure your school is — no matter the academic level — regionally accredited. I can’t stress the importance of that. As of this reply, Henley Putnam is not regionally accredited, and despite the school’s great TRY at comparing Distance Education Training Council (DETC) accreditation to regional accreditation, it doesn’t fool me. Look elsewhere if you can.
As for online master’s programs in CJ, please visit Top Criminal Justice Schools in America article and Best Criminal Justice Schools page… Many of the schools listed do offer online degrees; some may even have forensics driven programs.
I recently relocated to North Carolina with my husband for his career after I completed an Associates Degree in Criminal Justice Administration and a Bachelors of Science in Criminal Justice Forensic Science. Both from Regionally accredited Schools with a decent GPA. I have what I would consider to be desirable work history, although sometimes brief in between classes, with several years of management experience working with technology and human resources, but I have been turned down for every single position I have applied for here.
I have No Criminal History
I have Excellent References
I have a current SF86 Federal Background check
I have passed several polygraphs for positions I was applying for
And as I have been told in the past I interview very well…
I make it past most prelim steps in hiring processes and have spent a lot of money to pay for my own background checks, physicals, and testing.
I guess I was under the impression that with my education, work history, and the fact that I am a female (Affirmative action and EEO requirements would give me a better opportunity in a male dominated work environment), I wouldn’t have any problem finding a job….
Ive been told that if I pay more money and take a BLET course I can get a job as a patrol officer (average annual here is about $32) but that is just less than half of what I had projected to be making back home once I finished my education and it wont put me in Forensics.
I’m desperate for guidance….
Do forensic scientists get a decent amount of vacation time?
Great article! It answered a lot of questions but I have a few im not sure about. I recently switched my major from bio to.chemistry because I decided forensics is what I always should And wanted to do. I have a great science mind and can picture my self in the lab but I also have a very fearless and reckless personality that makes me want to be active in CSI. Holdin a gun.and actually goin after the criminals and bringing them in custody. I was told that ev en if I went for forensics and worked in the lab I could do that also and bc their aren’t to many African American females in the field, i should make it happen. Is it tru I can.be involved in both or does that mean double majoring:/ this my junior yr in college BTW.
I’m a junior in high school and I’m really considering pursuing a career as a criminalist (forensics). But I hear contradicting reports all the time. I hear that there is a big demand for forensic scientists, and then I hear that it is a very hard field to get into. I have a 3.9 GPA and I love biology and chemistry, but I don’t want to work and work for an MD, and then not be able to find a job anywhere. I’m really worried about this and I want to make the right choice for a career. Can you help me?
hello …i have done my masters in chemistry this year ..and now i m planning my career in forensic science .So which course should i prefer and what will be the duration of the course …please suggest me some college or institute in India which can provide me a better course as mentioned above .please help me to make a correct decision
Hi. I’m in 8th grade and I was wondering if there a certain kinds of criminal forensics jobs or not. I was also wondering what the easiest but still good degree is to get (like a masters or bachelors) and I was wondering if MIT would be a good school to go to for a forensics degree. Reply as soon as you can anyone!
Hi,I would just like to ask three questions about forensic science:
1)will you or do you put your life in danger if you become a forelnsic scientists?
2)how many distinctions do you approximately need?
3)and is it easy to find good jobs?
Thank you so much…
I’m a junior in high school and i want to start a forensics career in the Navy, what is all the major information that I need to know to start?
Thank you for everything that is written here. This is excellent!
Question, I graduated from John Jay College of Criminal Justice with a Bachelor’s in Criminology, hoping that I will get a job in any government agency/Police Department. Despite having the degree, I still cannot find any position. I would love to start working as a Forensic Technician first and then advance. I regret not doing my Bachelor’s in Forensics or similar field as I understand now that it is vital. I am thinking of pursuing my Master’s in Forensic Science to become a criminalist. Do you think I should do that? Do you have any recommendations?
Thank you very much.
I would continue looking while you’re contemplating a master’s degree in Forensic Science. If you’re up for a move, I recommend looking outside your area; where there can be more potential to get hired. Nowadays, it is important to have a relevant degree to go along with the profession you’re seeking.
How to Run a Credit Check on a Potential Tenant – For Landlords
As a landlord, your primary responsibility is to find stellar tenants to occupy the property – tenants who pay the rent and take care of their rented home as if it were their own. The difference between finding a great tenant and one who turns out to be a deadbeat may be determined in the information you discover when running a credit check on a potential tenant.
The least expensive way to run a credit check is to run it yourself. If you hire a service to conduct the credit check, background check, and eviction report for you, it can cost anywhere from $29.99 or more for one person, and from $19.99 to $34.99 for each additional tenant. However, if you’re willing to put in the time and the effort, running the credit check yourself can cost you nothing. The biggest challenge is knowing what to look for once you have the credit check in front of you.
Each of the three credit bureaus offers a tenant screening process which allows you to pull a credit report on potential tenants. You can choose one of the services to pull your reports.
- Experian. There is no fee for landlords to run a tenant credit check using Experian.
- TransUnion. The total fee to receive a credit report, credit recommendation, and criminal background check is $30 via TransUnion.
- Equifax. To receive an Equifax credit report, independent landlords have to go through the National Association of Independent Landlords. The fee is $15.95 for a comprehensive credit report. Full criminal background checks cost $29.95.
I have used all three credit bureaus to pull credit reports for prospective tenants. Each process is smooth, easy to understand, and affordable.
Another option is to use a service that permits you to pull the credit reports from all three credit bureaus at one time. CreditReport.com has an option for landlords to do just that: Input all of the tenant information just once and receive all three credit reports. It’s best to review all three credit reports because each creditor reports to different credit bureaus, giving you a more complete credit history for the tenant.
While the websites you use may differ in the process of running the credit check, there are a couple general steps you must first take:
- Obtain a Complete Rental Application and Permission to Run a Credit Check From Each Tenant 18 Years or Older. Provide a pre-printed form for each tenant to complete to gather his or her full name, birth date, Social Security number, previous address, and landlord contact information for the past two years. The form should also include a statement that says you plan to run a credit check on the tenant, as well as a signature line where the tenant signs as consent to allow you to run a credit check.
- Collect a Credit Check Fee From Potential Tenants. Charge the prospective tenants a fee for running a credit check. This covers the fee you have to pay for requesting the credit report from the bureaus or credit check websites.
Once you have a credit report, review the various sections for potential red flags:
- Negative or Potentially Negative Items Section. This is typically on the first page of the credit report. You can find any accounts that are past due, discharged, or in collections in this section.
- Bankruptcy, Eviction, or Foreclosure on a Home. These negative marks can be found in the negative items section of the report. You can also find these indications next to the account that it pertains to in the itemized list of accounts on the subsequent pages of the credit report.
- Individual Credit Accounts and Loans. You can review each account for late payments. The report lists if the account is current and – if there were any late payments – how many times the account was paid late. Additionally, the report lists how late the payments were, such as 30 days, 60 days, or 90 days delinquent.
Past behavior tends to predict future behavior. If tenants have a history of not paying their bills or continuously paying their bills late, it is likely that this behavior will continue in the future – meaning that rent payments will be late or missed.
On the other hand, people do change. If the late payments or non-payments are old and the tenant has been paying bills on time since the negative item or items, then it is possible that it was a one-time mistake or that they are working to correct their behavior.
For example, someone who filed for bankruptcy five years ago but has since established new credit and consistently paid their bills on time is an example of someone who has a blemish on their credit report but can still be a good tenant. A tenant who has a home foreclosure or who has one or more collection accounts from past landlords is a different story. This is a potential tenant you may want to avoid.
Remember, in addition to running credit checks, you can also contact the previous landlords to screen tenants. Verify the dates of occupation by the tenant, the monthly rental fee, payments from the tenants, and any problems the landlord had with the tenants.
Knowing how to run your own credit checks can save you a lot of time and money, and potentially protect you from damages. By running a thorough check, you can ensure that you only rent to tenants who will care for your home and make on-time payments.
Do you run your own credit checks on potential tenants? Which service do you use?
How long does it take to rank in Google? (A study by Ahrefs)
“ How long till my website (page) ranks on top of Google?”
The common response to this question is obviously, “It depends,” because there are just too many variables to consider: website strength, competition, budget, skills, etc.
But here at Ahrefs, we decided to sift through the petabytes of historical ranking data that we have and give you a slightly more quantifiable answer, something more concrete than simply, “It depends.”
For starters, we identified how old the current top-ranking pages are.
We took 2 million random keywords and pulled data on the Top10 ranking pages for each of them. Which resulted in this beautiful graph:
As you can tell from this graph, the average Top10 ranking page is 2+ years old. And those that rank at position #1 are almost 3 years old (on average).
In fact, only 22% of pages that currently rank in the Top10 were created within 1 year:
So the next thing we wanted to know is what percentage of pages at each ranking position were less than 1 year old:
This doesn’t look too promising, right? The SERP is clearly dominated by “old” pages.
How long does it take for a page to rank in Google?
To answer this question, we randomly selected 2 million pages that were first seen by Ahrefs crawler a year ago.
We then tracked the position history of each page for any keyword it’s ranked for.
Which resulted in this graph:
Only 5.7% of all studied pages ranked in the Top10 search results within 1 year for at least 1 keyword.
Pages from websites with a high Domain Rating ( DR ) performed way better than those with a low DR . Which shouldn’t come as a surprise, because Ahrefs’ Domain Rating metric (shows the strength of a website’s backlink profile) correlates well with Google rankings.
We then zoomed into these 5.7% of “lucky” pages to see how quickly they got from nowhere to the Top10.
The majority of them managed to achieve that in approximately 61 to 182 days.
By looking at this graph, you might think that, on average, it takes a page anywhere from 2 to 6 months to rank in Google’s Top10.
But that conclusion isn’t valid here, because this data only represents the 5.7% of pages that were lucky enough to rank in the Top10 within a year — while almost 95% of all the pages we studied didn’t make it to the Top10 within that timeframe.
Only 5.7% of all newly published pages will get to Google Top 10 within a year.
We also re-calculated the numbers based on monthly search volume of the keywords:
Only 0.3% of pages ranked in the Top10 for a high-volume keyword in less than a year.
And here are the dynamics of these 5.7% “lucky” pages, broken down by search volume of the keyword that they ranked for:
Clearly, you can rank for low-volume keywords in a very short time, while the high-volume ones take almost a year to get into the Top10.
But again, don’t forget that this data only applies to 5.7% of “lucky” pages that ranked in the Top10 within a year. The vast majority of pages don’t perform that well.
Did our study give a definite answer to “how long does it take to rank” question?
But at least we’ve shown that almost 95% of newly published pages don’t get to the Top10 within a year.
And most of the “lucky” ones, which do manage to get there, do it in about 2–6 months.
Actually, I shouldn’t be framing these pages as “lucky,” because the reason they got to the Top10 in less than a year is most likely hard work and great knowledge of SEO , not luck.
So here’s to hard work and dedication!
PS : let me know what you think about our findings and what else would you like us to study.
Shows how many different websites are linking to this piece of content. As a general rule, the more websites link to you, the higher you rank in Google.
This is not the actual number from Google Analytics. It is an estimation, pulled from Ahrefs' Site Explorer tool.
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What about link profile for these pages? Obviously, it’s much easier to get at least 1 link in 1+ year than in a month.
So, did you take into account the link profile of these pages or it’s kinda “dirty” data?
Thank you in advance,
we studied the correlation of rankings with links before. Did you see this one? –> https://ahrefs.com/blog/on-page-seo/
obviously, links have a quite high correlation with rankings, so the more you get — the better you rank (as a general rule)
Of course links have quite high impact to rankings.
I just would lke to know — did you separate the pages with links in this research or not?
The reason I’m asking is:
1) you say that an old page more likely to rank for at least one keyword than a new one
2) it’s obviously that older page has more chances to get some links (its just about the time)
3) so, if you didnt filter page with links may be you just repeat your research about links/rankgins correlation
I hope I was able to explain my point
I see, but what is your question exactly?
“ Does age of the page help you to rank better, regardless of the links acquired?”
If that is your question, we studied the correlation of “age VS rankings” (link factors removed) in the post that I’ve just referenced. There was a positive correlation, but quite small.
First of all, thanks for the article, it’s excellent and answers very important questions!
Tim, I think Alex asks: “How a number of referring domains influences the speed of getting to the first page of Google and getting a specific position in top-10”.
It’s especially interesting for “young” pages (less than 1-year old) because the majority of SEO ’s and clients want to be on the top position as soon as possible.
I’m pretty sure this kind of study won’t reveal anything particularly interesting.
I bet there will be a small positive correlation between the speed of acquiring new ref.domains and speed of getting in top10.
Do you think that it is really worth testing with actual data?
P.S. It’s not a question just about correlation (good links accelerate this process for sure) but more about specific details, e.g. how many referring domains usually have “young” pages which sit on the 1, 2, 3, etc. positions in Google SERP ?
yeah, what you say in “ PS ” makes sense.. I’ll think more about it and figure out what we could research and how
V. nice article BTW , this is the most important Q,. any client asks us about in the beginning of the engagement. Just one note, you say about link building that he more you get — the better you rank. I do believe that the more of high authority links you get the better you rank
Completly agree on this one, i have similar observations. Thats why typical seo done in many agencies is “dead” — how many clients are willing to wait 1,5–3 years for seo success? Starting from scraps is just very time and resources consuming and only small percentage of clients are willing to understand that. Oh and by “seo sucess” i mean serious organic visibility growth, not just endless optimization with no added value to client.
This is absolutely correct if a SEO specialist just throws a good piece of content to the wall and waits for several months/years if it sticks to page 1.
However, if it’s a really GOOD SEO specialist he/she promotes this content, gets links and it usually takes much less time to get to the page 1 for many keywords, especially low-volume ones.
The majority of people still believe in Google mantra about “just write excellent content” and forget about promotion phase.
This is the point at which I start to question whether we really talking SEO anymore, or simply marketing. Websites as informational and sales material written for readers versus keyword piles being written for web crawlers. The whole process of getting links to me isn’t really what SEO is, or at least what it used to be. SEO used to be about arcane tricks that had more to do with algorithm manipulation and gaming rather than the things that we’re doing now with guest posts, ranking via links, time and genuine authority and/or credibility. In other words, Google is succeeding in making Search actual Search.
Great info thank you so much.
I have one Question in my mind that what if we rank a blog which is related to particular event.Can we rank an event blog in less then 3–4 months.
Thanks in advance.
That entirely depends on the keyword that you are trying to rank for.
As an experiment, I added a unique and meaningless 3-word phrase to an old blog post on my website.
I then used “Fetch as Google” to get Google to re-crawl the page
Within one hour, the page was ranking No.1 on Google UK for that phrase. (Of course, I was the only person searching for this phrase)
When Google has no better option, you can be No.1 on Google within an hour.
Hope this answers your question
You took it right out of my mouth
Wow Thousand words explanation in just a single paragraph thanks Danny Richman You are surely Richman when it comes to Explanation
Well, this is horrible for fresh bloggers. Waiting more than one year to rank on 1st page (top 10) of Google is a difficult task, so mostly bloggers back out
Which is why you shouldn’t rely on Google for traffic when launching a new site. There are plenty of other ways to drive traffic while waiting for your site to gain trust/authority.
I’m with you on this David, there are many ways to get your traffic as your site builds authority, I agree with these stats, my site is around 3 years old and to be honest, I was not producing high quality articles for at least half that time, 3 years later and a lot of hard work, and things seem to be happening at last.…
Thanks for sharing.
It depends on how competitive the keywords you’re are targeting are. With a pretty new website, I managed to get pages appear on the first page of Google, within days but it was a niche.
If you’re targeting competitive keywords, then it’s more difficult.
It’d be great to share with us what those 5% of “lucky” websites/pages have in common. That’d be of a great value.
hey @ericvanbuskirk:disqus , you can’t call this article a derivitive of yours, because the research was done way before you asked us for data for your own research. See the attached screenshot where I’m sharing our results with “Ahrefs Insider” community on Facebook in early December. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/332c98c5abf91eaee5856caebfe316c8f1f5c8ddeda1f716700b337e444b6bc3.png
That was 61 days ago. How recent do you want?
YES , absolutely. To put it here for the record: this was a big coincidence in timing. You’d already started your’s and used different methods. Cheers.
Thank you for the case study Tim.
I’m ranking some of my low competition website and got ranked #1 in just one week.
Good research!! Totally agreed with your post but sometimes it take only few weeks to come on first page so I think depends upon competition
Great information — especially for SEO clients to see what we are up against in trying to get rank! I have seen this even with some of my older long term clients. I have one client who finally after 18 months is seeing some tremendous gains to page 1 — it is like one huge spike up after a slow uprising.….thanks for putting this together.
Great article Tim, thanks for sharing. It would be interesting to do this study with a comparison of several “controlled” SEO techniques to see what the effects of search optimization can have on the speed to rank. Given what I’ve seen taking my own sites from zero to #1 I can say it’s possible to improve the speed. The only question is how much? It would require a controlled test, but I know the industry would be really keen to see this information.
what really amazed me is big media corporation can just launched a site and get boosted to the top 3 positions in 2 months (with the help of linking from their other high DR sites of course). I guess the domain age is important too, even they just launched it.
Some really great insight here. I think this is something a lot of people in the SEO community already kind of understood but seeing some data behind it really brings the reality to life. Thanks for sharing this data with us Tim.
Another excellent study. Sobering, but there is opportunity once you shift the paradigm. Websites really are replacing journalism, and traditional publishing, by being forced (in a good sense) to offer things that people want to read and return to.
I’ve been seeing this as well. There is a lot of talk from Google about “creating quality content” and that will be enough.
In truth, even my best quality content doesn’t seem to rank without some serious link juice. And even when it does, the results can take MONTHS .
SEO shouldn’t be your sole play. If it is, you’re going to have a bad time.
imho it makes perfect sense that it takes you a few months to get to top10.. think about it, most top10 pages have a good amount of backlinks.. so if you want Google to consider your own page — you need to get some too
and earning links naturally takes time.. people should discover your page, then go to their site and reference it.. that doesn’t happen in a day
so yeah, it’s pretty discouraging that the SERP is dominated by “old” pages.. but if Google would let new pages in fast — it would be a total mess
How long is the average life of a site?
How is the average lifetime of a web page?
The answer to these questions given above results.
How many young cockerels managed to overcome old cock for six months or a year and become leaders flock of chickens ?!
Google algorithm is changed and it’s doesn’t matter how Long blog is old.its Depend on Your On page and Off Page Strategy.
Great post ! Do you have the right side of the last graph ? after 365 days ? it would also be interesting
Fascinating. Bad news for SEO agencies working with clients under a year at a time, but could also be good news in the sense that as your client’s website ages, its ranking may track higher. Being an older domain alone isn’t enough, but looks like it really helps.
Would love to see something similar for Local SEO results.
actually I think it is good for SEO agencies.. they can use our research to persuade their customers to stay longer
An interesting article answering many questions!
That’s all very interesting, but includes all the sites that do nothing at all to rank.
Now how about study, for all of us that want to do something about ranking, to show how hard it is to rank in the top 10 when you DO know something about SEO .
Could maybe filter the results by # of links, UR , DR , etc. to get this.
Nice research Tim, thanks for depressing me… time to dig out the advertising accounts!
…or you can put some more efforts in some of your “old” pages
Really great content! It’s interesting to see the data you have available, but it’s hard tell whether the “lucky pages” are news articles that ranks because of the freshness factor, if it’s because of the link profile or something else. But great work!
Hi Tim. Just say “Hi” back to me please. Otherwise, I wont start working on linkbuilding for my blog. :p
That’s mighty impressive (and even more encouraging) Tim! You guys are absolutely kicking ass on this blog.
Honestly this is an awesome and cool company. The post of Tim: LOL !
hope it wasn’t photoshopped(just kidding)
That’s what I love about Google. Sick.
Unfair do it with new domain
Ha! Everybody should aim to accumulate as many unfair advantages as they possibly can
yeah.. good domain, established brand, loyal audience, “viral” piece of content — all these things contribute to the speed of ranking
Wow, awesome, How this thing work? Can you please share some reference on this?
quite a few people in comments already said it
easy keyword to rank for + established domain/brand + big and loyal audience, that generates immediate traffic + a cool piece of content, that is worth ranking
Do you mean here one day AFTER Crawling? (and not after publishing) Isn’t it? After publishing would mean Google registers new URLs (of established domains) immediately. Thanks for your Answer
Some sites index, cache and rank within minutes. It has a lot to do with the age and authority of the sites in question.
I agree with you Tim. Did all these for a few posts and I can see them on page 1
A cool piece of Content definitely work to get good results. Here I am not talking about Rankings but Good Results :). It’s total dedication & hard work if you want good Rankings through SEO .
how long does it take to rank the keyword has not much more search volume and competition of the keyword is to low .. And when you published a new post from your high DR website , it will get juice from your main site backlink , obviously it will rank in very sort time than a new low DR site. I think you got my point .
Awesome! While i am adding here Buzz+Quality+Data Analysis
even if it’s junk…
To create a “buzz” how many visits to a website per day would you say are required?
less about visits more about links that were shared all over the place at fast speeds
It’ easy for Big websites. But it takes more time abusively for new sites.
LOL no doubt and good point.
I am talking about the third image of this post. If I am not wrong in my analysis, should not the sum of the percentages be 100%?
Let me elaborate.
You took 2 million random keywords and analyzing the top 10 ranking pages, so the total pages are 20 million.
Of these 20 million pages, 22% (that is 4.4 million pages) ranked within 1 year.
You’re showing the distribution of these 4.4 million pages in the Google’s first page. So, should not their sum be 100%. I made a rough calculations and it shows 29–30%.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Awesome insight! I bet there are so many variables that contribute to top 10 ranking for those lucky 5.7% and hope you will share more of these in your next pots.
— Whats the breakdown for easy vs difficult keywords? Search volume might not speak all the truth: “how to play guitar” with 60k monthly searches will be relatively easy to rank comparing to “tree removal toronto” with 500 searches and cut through competition.
— How many of newly published pages that rank on the first page have 301 redirect. I’ve seen a lot of cases when company moved to a new domain or recreated a page under new URL and 301 redirected all traffic and backlinks. That can explain how they rank so fast.
“ easy vs difficult keywords” — I’m pretty sure the results would have a very high correlation with our distribution by DR .
But I’ll consider studying this specifically in our future articles, thanks!
What this article does not consider is that the majority of sites they picked may have had no SEO done at all and its just took time for them to rank naturally. So the real question is how long does it take a site to rank if you SEO it!
I think the distribution by DR is indicative of how sites that do SEO perform. I mean high DR = many backlinks = SEO /marketing investment
Not necessary, big and popular companies may not have done any SEO , but still have high DR .
so you’re trying to say that popular companies don’t do marketing? How come they are “popular” then?
That’s not what I am saying. Many do marketing, but not many do SEO and if they do any SEO , all they need is light onsite SEO because the links they would get naturally. What I would like to see is a list of sites that are not mainstream, launched in past 3 years that did SEO and how long it took them to rank.
That could be understood like 95% of people don’t do SEO .
What do you think about Buy expired domains and then 301 redirect to our domain?
Does it matter for rank? if so how long does it take to rank in Google
That won’t matter, because some time back in 2016, Tim wrote an article where he explained after a domain expires its value is reset by search engines. Doing 301, might help a little but not much.
wow! hold the horses, I never said that.
I recall saying that “resetting expired domains” could be a nice way of fighting PBNs, but I never said that Google is actually doing that.
If DR correlates so well, why isnt it used to consider KD for ahrefs?
because UR of the page correlates way higher than DR of the domain
and in essence, websites have high DR , because they pages have high UR .
Great post @timsoulo:disqus — I agree; it’s all about skill over luck when it comes to SEO . Never easy, must always be patient, while the WIN can be HUGE !
Fantastic post with some great insights!
I have written several posts that STILL rank on the first page.
When I wrote them, I had no SEO knowledge.
I simply shared my thoughts and experiences.
Google anything to do with:
— suicide or killing yourself
— a letter to a son
— the Liebster award
… and Wording Well will be listed on the first page for all of these!
Try it. You’ll see.
Just wondering: are we talking about domain age or website age?
What if I have an old domain and redesign my site?
Would this mean my new redesigned website would also take that long?
Thanks for giving insights on this $ 1M question @Tim Soulo.
Beyond a higher DR and lots of hard work done, do “lucky ones” have similar characteristics?
Influencer’s content only
Length of content
Type of content
we’ve studied some of these things before
I’ve found that time definitely helps on my own site. But isn’t there a point at which Google would have to cull old results to bring in fresher material? Otherwise eventually all of Google’s top results will be “old news” which especially matters in niches where things change fast.
you’re hitting the nail on the head with this question!
I see so much “outdated” content ranking at the top of Google.. it has a lot of links, because people were finding it in Google for a while and then referencing it (vicious circle)
This makes it really hard for new content to get to the top, while it objectively deserves it
hopefully guys at Google will figure something out
In this article one thing I face every time when get new client. they all ask me first question “How long till my website (page) ranks on top of Google?”.
My conclusion after reading this whole post is:
1. Unless your content is targeting super easy keywords, you really need to work very hard to rank those high volume keywords.
2. No shortcut for ranking to the top because only 5% gets to the top within 12 months and I believe most of them are working hard to earn the links.
Let’s go back and work on our link building!
100% agree, thanks for a recap @disqus_qO47RnlfKx:disqus
Good article, Thank you.
I think that the lucky pages “here” are STRONG brands website and Google trusts them.
This means YEARS of hard work the Site.
Your article, @timsoulo:disqus is simply awesome, I needed it so much!
It’s years I try tell this concept to my customers who ALL believe getting top Google position is something completely similar to: “If I pay you $50 (once!) how many **days** is my new website going to take to to get #1 in Google?”.
I tried telling them: “it’s like getting #1 in Formula 1 / Champions League, there’s millions competing for it and they have millions as budget.
No way! It’s either “sign me official papers stating I am going to be #1 in a couple of weeks or you don’t get to design my website”.
Now, if anything, I have an authoritative source to point them at!
Well, there are guys who just use PBNs to rank their clients These guys can promise a certain result in a certain period of time and for a certain budget.
But what they can’t promise it that the client website is 100% safe.
Surprising stats. Well done.
Thanks for an interesting post. I am curious if this affects web pages that are renovated and re-structured as well?
I’ve got a company with a 6 year old website (10 yr old domain). In about a month we will change the structure of the site to better tailor it to our most important keywords, but of course keep the domain name. Can anyone tell me if this means my web pages get sent back to start and I have to work my keywords up from scratch again?
IF you change important parts of the content i,e the content itself, Title, Headers etc you will receive a lower ranking for a little bit, depending how authoritative the site is. estimate 1 week to 2 months
Thanks s lot for your reply. Appreciated.
Changing the structure of pages is very-very risky.
If you change the URLs of the pages — you’re going to lose links, that are pointing to them.
I would recommend to hire someone with a lot of experience to help you do this.
Thanks for your input! I will aim to keep the 10 most visited URLs and keep the body text unchainged.
Great article Tim, thank you
For me, the study has two extremely important missing points. So it is not very valuable for an SEO . Rather C-level than A or A +.
How was the link building of the 5% relative to the others (amount? Quality? …)?
How much (more) content have the 5% generated during the year?
And, of course, the answers to new questions that arise from it … THAT would be interesting and should have been a piece of cake for you.
Could you please complete your research and make those data valuable for public?
Would love to read.
Agreed. Those are excellent points and can truly pinpoint causation, more accurately as we’re generally making educated guesses as SEOs.
You know and I know that the things that you’ve listed aren’t the only factors that Google uses for ranking.
So basically, any level of complexity that we add to this study won’t be enough — there will always be something extra, that we didn’t take into account
This is why this time we tried to look at the “big picture”, without studying any details
But obviously, we’ll continue publishing similar studies and will try to get as deep as we can.
Pretty much echoes what I’ve been saying for a couple of years without any real data to prove it. Services such as Ahrefs (etc) get such great data! This is CM gold. I’ve been trying to get the agency I work at to switch from selling Organic SEO (content marketing to get backlinks), PPC and (not selling) Social Media to taking an holistic, one channel supports the others, marketing strategy for our clients. Still banging the drum atm …
Yeah, there’s so much more to SEO today than it used to be just 3 years ago
If I were running an agency, I would be vetting clients as hell and only work with those, who have superior offering to their competition
That’s because it’s damn hard today to make an awful product outrank a really good one.
If I modify the content (update) a blog post that already exists to 2 years or more. Does this have any impact on your age or rank?
yeah.. why would you want to publish new content if the old one doesn’t rank?
go update it and re-promote it.. build some links, etc
Though your study reveals a hidden age factor in ranking of a website. But I am much motivated with your last paragraph. The hard work and dedication will bring the result .
Of course I am sure dedication and hard work can take new sites to those “lucky ones”.
Or you can be cool and obtain some high quality links — Ultra competitive keyword for lawyer in 2 months
I agree with you, really domain age matters. But it amazing to see that its is being difficult to rank higher than the low quality site (with high domain age) with the quality site (with low domain age).
Tim when you say “ PS : if you generate enough buzz, you can rank in a day :))”. Why dont you create a completely new web page and let us all know in advance that tomorrow you will be working on that new web page. So that we can see ourselves what you did and ranked 1st on google the next day after that. Because we would like to see what you did almost to rank your webpage on the top 10 of google.
I don’t think I did anything secretive to make this post rank in Google in a day.
a few things to consider:
1. it ranked for very long tail keywords, which don’t bring a lot of search traffic, so it’s not that challenging to rank for them
2. Ahrefs has a pretty big audience, so I’m pretty sure that Google noticed all the buzz around this article, and that is why immediately pumped it to the top
if you go for a popular keyword and you don’t have an audience — it will take quite a while to get there
The world may never know
Bardzo interesujące dane, dzięki.
Hi, Thanks for this post. One of my website going down and down in SERP , Any tips to get back my SERP position again please! Thanks
Better have this when your client says they need to be in rank 1–10 of serps within one to three months! Aside from the search volume, maybe we need to consider the number of exact matches, titles, urls, and webpages being optimised for certain keywords to rank. Percentage for those factors are important too.
Yeah, there’s a ton of things that influence your ranking and how fast you rank.. our goal with this specific study was to look at the big picture, which turned out quite interesting, right?
Yes, this study is really interesting. Most of the readers always hear this question more often than not when talking with their clients too. We all can relate. haha
Yes, its hard to rank with new domain but its not impossible though. If you have well written article and share it on Reddit. If you got enough upvotes, you will be on the first page of Google in matter of hours.
Dont forget to add tags, as they are better traffic driver than your main content,
Here is a new guy question, Tim .
Have a 3 year old domain about to expire, not really done anything with it, site hasn’t been touched for a long time, little content.
If I were to reactivate it, start adding content and things, would the maturity of the site help to get noticed quicker over a new domain with similar name in same market ?
yeah, I’m pretty sure that aged domain has some benefits over a brand new one. that’s not a HUGE advantage of course, but still helps a bit
lol, yeah.. according to Search Console, we keep getting search traffic from relevant search queries
Hi Tim — curious how this trend is playing out now six months later. Can you update?
thanks for your comment!
yeah, personalized search has some influence of course.. as well as the location of where you’re searching from and the time of the day (rankings change all the time)
we didn’t study the impact of the speed of acquiring new ref.domains, but I think it might be a factor too, as it shows that people love the page a lot
but at the same time, I’m convinced that there’s no “universal model”.. Google is clearly treating different keywords and different niches differently.. so what works in one case might not work for all other cases
hope that makes sense
if you have full control of the anchor texts of your incoming links, you’re probably not really “white hat”
At the end of the day only 10 can be in top 10…
Thanks for sharing awesome post, as per u saw its really fact when ever we seek the sites it will show the authority, if we see the backlinks all the links are high authority .it’s better if you have any case study so that it can help.
Great piece of article. I have a new blog with a few posts. I’am following you for a few weeks, and studied some of your articles which are simply amazing for Newbies.
I have increased my website’s traffic to some extent by following your tips.
Keep writing such kind of articles.
This is extremely useful information because it help to manage the right effort .
Its really awesome post that really helps me to learn the new tactics and by the way u shared the each and every tips to get ranked in the google.
That’s a really good research. But this does not give any absolute result as you told. Will keep reading your blog
My website ranking is getting down , Many of my posts shifted from 1st page to 2nd page in google search. Help me
Great article very helpful for training new staff in understanding the efforts it takes to get to page 1. I would be very interested to see if there was any correlation between the rate of link acquisition and length of time to reach page 1 and looking at the average authority of links gained. Does acquiring links too fast have a negative effect? Some data driven conclusions would be really insightful!
I’d love to see the research on this too!
Great question. Seems to me that there is a direct correlation between the rate of link acquisition and how long — or if ever — the page reaches a top ranking in SERPs.
Now I have some actual numbers I can show clients when they ask why site they built yesterday isn’t on the first page.
even if it’s junk…
Useful info ! I grab lot from here
Super interesting data Tim — thanks for sharing
Great job, Ahrefs!
If the webmasters search analytics data does NOT show growth in impressions in 4 months with consistent onpage and offpage SEO , you may need to break down your domain to various parts and find out what you need to change and break that resistance on growth.
Finally — a realistic overview of the ranking power of a page against keyword volume and domain authority. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
from my experiences, it depend on backlink! and competition! but for every experts most of them can rank with a week or 2! but my fastest record are 3 day, getting page one, rank 7 in 3 days!(2 phrase keywords searcher about 100k pe rmonth medium comp only cost me about $100! lmao) for hard keywords it will need a budget about $1000 to $5k usd! depend on niche! not so sure about forex niche, but I think it will need about 10k budget!
Using this data, one could argue it’s best to create great content for existing domains with high authority ( DR ) and piggy back that authority to achieve first page placement. Why even create the primary/top of funnel content on your own domain when there are others that can be leveraged to gain immediate visibility?
Is the impact and growth of location based searches taken into consideration while preparing this data?
Thanks Tim Soulo,I appreciate your work!
You should break it down further by shreds keyword difficulty. I’m curious how long it takes to rank for low difficulty (<20 KD ) keywords compared to medium (20–50) hard (50–70), etc.
I’m working on a strong page targeting a 22 kd keyword with 9900 volume. The DR is a measly 10, but I ranked 1st (and 2nd) for a related keyword with a kd of 8. I’ll report back the findings in a few months.
Bill, I’d love to hear about your findings!
WOW seriously this is really amazing
page with 620 keywords does not exist anymore…
I still think a large part of it is luck. As you said there are too many variables beyond your control (i.e. what competitors are doing) to accurately predict the outcome of any post.
Is it the age of the backlink, or maybe older links have had more time to accumulate backlinks?
Seeing as Google is all about providing the most relevant content to the search query, it would strike me as odd that the age of a page would have such a drastic effect on rankings.
Thanks for the interesting post!
This is great to see. It makes me happy about the few top ten rankings I got in a year and optimistic that the rest will rise up in time! This really helps add a mental image to the “aging” concept.
page with 620 keywords does not exist anymore…
You didn’t mention the domains of the lucky pages. Moz blog posts can get top 10 ranking within a month. That is the most cruel ranking method, “domain authority”. Just how many travel sites managed to cross tripadvisor pages?
Perfect and interesting information. This information is very useful and may help us to understand ranking factors in 2017
Would love to see how long to get from a #4–10 to a #1.
Hello guys ! Thanks a lot for the study. I hope you don’t mind, I translated a short summary in french on my blog. Must I ask for authorization first ?
I do lots of affiliate promotions, and for me it’s been taking between 6–12 months to rank for medium competition terms. The low comp keywords are very easy, can rank within weeks, sometimes sooner if there’s very little competition.
Thanks for another informative article! My question concerns the QUALITY of the content on the pages you tested in your study. Were these just randomly selected new pages on various random websites or did they have to meet certain criteria in terms of: length of content (thin/short vs long-form), how unique the text was, how valuable the content was deemed for its potential readers, domain authority, etc.? It would make sense for the vast majority of new pages to perform poorly if they are thin, poorly written, repeat stuff that is already in SERPs, etc. This is a quality issue and not one related to age. As a % of the pages tests in this study, how many contained high quality content that objectively deserved to rank in the top-10?
I’ve just penned a long-form post for a fairly high volume keyword and I can see from the stats that Google is “experimenting” with it. The graph for impressions/clicks/ CTR /position is very spiky, but seems to be showing an upward trend, although we’re only 2 weeks in. Looks like Google is throwing the page into search results at different positions, seeing how it performs in terms of clicks (time on site, engagement, etc.) and then promoting/demoting it depending on this. I’m presuming this will level out after a while and that Google will give the page a more or less static average position. Current CTR is above 17%, which is better than the majority of our pages. However, it’s to early to draw any real conclusions. Will be interesting to see what happens over the coming weeks and months.
Hii Tim, Is it possible to find out the correlation between young sites ranking and branded links.This may give SEO ’s more data into what types of links help younger sites rank faster. Thanks Gary
Hey ranked at position 16 within 2 weeks, it was hard work yes