How much apr is too much for a car

Homeschooling And Extra-Curricular Activities – How Much Is Too Much?

How much apr is too much for a car

“Do you make your daughter do so many extra-curricular activities because you feel guilty about taking her out of school?” asked a rather blunt acquaintance a few weeks after I began homeschooling my seven year old.

The question took me aback. For a moment I fell into anxious self-examination.

Was the woman right? Was I enrolling C(7) to every club going out of some paranoid fear that she was missing out, now that she was home-educated?

Then I remembered why C chose to be homeschooled.

Here was a child who enthusiastically threw herself at every opportunity (the more physical the better). Who at age six, looked up local judo clubs when I (concerned about our already busy schedule) dragged my heels following her request to learn it. A child so busy trying to fit in school, homework, her many sports, her artistic activities and playdates, that I barely saw her.

And when I did see her, it was as chauffeur and personal assistant to a tired and all too often grumpy little girl. Clearly, something had to go.

After some discussion, we realised that the obvious thing to let go of was school.

Without school and homework taking up the bulk of each day, C(7) was free to throw herself into her passions, see friends, enjoy plenty of downtime, have a relationship with her family and learn everything she would have at school in much less time.

“No. My daughter left school so that she would have time do all these ‘extra-curricular’ activities.” I told the blunt woman.

Looking back, I wonder if the woman (who was planning to homeschool her two pre-schoolers) was feeling insecure about how few activities her own children did.

But comparing ourselves with others is a sure path to an unfulfilling and unsuccessful homeschooling experience. Only we know the needs of our own family.

In our home, my challenge is to balance the needs of the introverts (my son and me), with those of my extremely extroverted daughter. While J(8) and I crave quiet time immersed in our interests at home, C(9) wants to be out trying new things and meeting new friends.

I would love to be one of those homeschoolers who manage to limit their outside activities to one per child. But to C(9), sharing a house with a couple of introverts, that would be torture.

How much apr is too much for a carC(9) in her element at a St George’s Day parade on Sunday

Here’s what our extra-curricular schedule looks like this term:

Tuesday – group guitar lesson, home-ed centre, gymnastics *

Wednesday – Cub Scouts, free swimming

Friday – Stagecoach (3 hours of singing, drama and dance)

Sunday – rugby (September – April)

*Tuesdays also involve 2 hours driving – just don’t ask me to string a sentence together after 6pm

Tuesday – home-ed centre

Wednesday – Occupational Therapy (1-1), swimming lesson

So how do we introverts cope?

Some of C(&)’s activities are close to home, others involve J(8) and me waiting around for her. We use waiting time to listen to audiobooks, walk in nature with our dog, read, write and meditate (me), and play iPad games (J). We have our own headphones and, frankly, while C(9) – we love her very much! – is off talking to other people, we enjoy a bit of peace!

As C(9) gets older I know her social needs are going to continue to challenge me – but I love that I get to spend so much time with my young bundle of energy.

If homeschooling her through the years to come means organising teen clubs and writing groups, art workshops and science co-ops, I’m up for it. She won’t be at home forever, and I want to make the most of every moment.

How much apr is too much for a carHorse-riding at her cousins’ house

How many activities should your child do? Only you and your family can answer that. If two activities a week leaves you with no energy to do what’s important to you, then two is too much, no matter how outgoing your child is.

And if someone asks why you’re “making” your child do so much, just smile and know that you’re doing what’s right for your family.

The Homeschool Help team on extra-curricular activities

This post is part of the Homeschool Help series written by six different home-educating mothers from all over the planet. I’ve been enjoying reading the series immensely, so I’m delighted to have joined the team.

Barefoot Hippie Girl – Just A Homebody. Picking and choosing what’s best for your family and life season.

Hammock Tracks – Extra Curricular Activities And Family Goals. How do you choose when and where your children (or even you) participate in extra curricular activities?


how much apr is too much for a car

So you win the lottery, pay the taxes and you want to buy a Veyron, and the nagging question in the back of your mind is ‘ How much does it cost to own a Bugatti Veyron?’ Well in a word expensive. You might want to re think it and buy a Ferrari 488 instead.

If you have too much money for your own good, then here is a breakdown:

First you have to buy the car. That’s going to cost you around 2,500,000 (MSRP for a Veyron). Then the bils reall start to rack. This is not a car to drive down to your local Midas with a $29.95 oil change coupon in your hand. Some have seen yearly running costs at around $300,000 a year!

  • Bugatti ask for a down paymentof $350,000 just to order it. You could buy a house for that instead.
  • If you decide to lease one thenthe monthly lease payments are $24,000. That’s like buying a Ford fiesta ST every month! There are a few rules that you will have to be aware of however, for instance you can only drive 2500 miles a year which is 6.8 miles a day and the lease is a max of 5 years.
  • Now the car is built in Molsheim, France, so if you live in the US they will need $40,000 to deliver it to your door.
  • Now you will need insuranceand a little shopping around might pay dividends however, expect a monthly premium of $2,500 to $3,800 which is over $30,000 a year.
  • Gas prices have fallen and the average price is but $2.26 per gallon. The Veyron drinks gas at a massive volume especially if you use all of that 1,200 hp. City gas mileage is 8 and highway hovers around 13. The tank holds 26.4 gallons so each fill up will cost $60. If you lease then your gas will cost you $706.25 for 2,500 miles. Perfect if you only need to drive to the grocery store 3.4 miles away.
  • After the car is delivered you are contracted to take care of certain maintenance items including routine annual maintenance costing $20,000, detailing services around $10,000, a wheel and tire replacement every 10,000 miles that comes with a price tag of $50,000.


Question of the Day: How Much Horsepower Is Too Much?

How much apr is too much for a carMy car has 224 hp. I'm suddenly mature enough to not bother racing people at stop lights (especially since that CTS-V humbled me). I only use all my car's strength when I'm getting on the freeway or when I'm at a red light in the left hand lane and need to quickly get over to the right. And you know what? It's more than enough. I was going to write up a whole post about Lightning taking pre-orders for their 700 hp GT EV, but… what's the point? (Sidenote: TTAC will be taking pre-orders for our new 1,200 hp vapor electric car soon) Unless you routinely drag race (and I'm talking, you know, all the friggin' time) what on earth do you need 700 hp for? I'm not in any way suggesting we cap output, I just want to know who's buying these beasts? And why? For the record, 420 hp feels just about right. You?

100 Comments on “Question of the Day: How Much Horsepower Is Too Much. ”

How much apr is too much for a car

I’d say 300-400hp as the upper limit on all but exotics. Heck a Minivan of today has more power than a Camaro of yesteryear.

Don’t the Japanese OEMs have some sort of a gentlemens agreement not to exceed 300hp?

For real fun try to merge a a semi with triple trailers onto the freeway. You can merge anything onto the freeway with patience, foresight and an air-horn.

How much apr is too much for a car

If the car is pulling itself along, about 250 hp. Otherwise I don’t understand the question.

I agree Jonny – 420 HP is just about right…for a motorcycle.

Seriously, for a normal-sized car 300 is probably all you’ll need off the track. I like to go fast and all, but you can do that without a ton of power. It just takes longer to get there.

somewhere around 400-500. 400+hp cars seem to me pretty silly. I’d rather they added lightness than hp at this point.

How much apr is too much for a car

I care more about torque than HP.

But more to the question, I suppose it depends on so-called “useable” horsepower. If the maximum HP is achieved at 9,000 rpm, as an extreme example, what good is it?

Personally I’d like to see maximum HP at 3,000 rpm or less. But then I’m also old-fashioned.

How much apr is too much for a car

I think the HP question depends on how much the car weighs. I’d prefer a light car with 250hp to a heavy car with 500hp.

I reckon its down to weight, brakes, chassis, driven wheels and torque. I've got 295 horses in the Boxster S. I'm thinking another 100 horses ought to do it. (Having driven such a beast, the RUF version, oh baby!) The Ford GT's 550hp felt about right. The Enzo didn't seem underpowered. well, you get the idea.

How much apr is too much for a car

I can’t answer this question without asking “horsepower for what?” What is a car? Power to weight is more the point, isn’t it? Jonny has 224 hp. The pickup I use to pull a horse trailer has 295, and it’s adequate on the highway until the second horse, and a tire-burner when it’s empty.

I think you need 5% of curb weight as a MINIMUM, and about 7% is more than almost anyone will use. I remember when I drove an old original VW beetle, laughing as I tried playing Barney Oldfield on the onramp, that someone in a Corvette was languishing in front of me and I couldn’t go. (That one was in Rhode Island, RF)

More than that could be fun on occasion, but, as RF has pointed out a few times, it’s handling that is so much more important than power. I’ll always be happier with good handling and adequate hp than the other way around.

the japanese gentlemen’s agreement is now defunct. thankfully.

How much apr is too much for a car

Is everyone here an engineer? It’s a philosophical question.

How much apr is too much for a car

My father, who is not car-savvy in the least, always insisted that 250 (gross) horsepower was the maximum any car could use or needed. I’ve been proving him wrong for a long time.

How much apr is too much for a car

What beetlebug and 86 said. It’s more power:weight than it is pure hp.

For instance, the 300-whatever hp in my 335i is a lot of horsepowers. Put that same mill in a Ford Excursion and it’s just enough to get you to cruising altitude. Put it in a sub-2500 lb car and it’s death on a stick.

So give me enough to thrill me, to give me a surge of adrenaline, to snap necks from 3rd gear to 4th gear, to create as much accelerative force as my rear tires can sustain without being overpowered, and make 90% of that horsepower available at 30% of redline RPM.

I think that would do.

How much apr is too much for a car

Power corrupts, then it bores. I’m over it, from all the way back in the late ’70s. My mother offered me her V-8 Firebird 350 coupe, but I got more enjoyment out of a tiny NSU 1000 TT. The little four-cylinder, all 60 hp of it, motivated that 1,400-lb car quite well, and the steering and handling was a joy compared to the overboosted vagueness of the Pontiac. Today, two of my three family cars have less than 100 hp each, though fellow TDI owners will know that doesn’t matter, torque is the thing.

Yes, power= acceleration. But here in the real world, the faster your accelerate, the sooner you have to stop accelerating. It’s like going to a fine restaurant where the food is so tasty, they’ll only serve you one spoonful.

My Porsche 944 has 170 HP and I can whip the ass of cars with twice that much. All I have to do is wait for the next sharp bend to out brake and then out corner them. Horsepower is an irrelevance unless it’s backed up by great brakes and great road holding. Of course, having a driver who actually knows how to drive, also helps!

How much apr is too much for a car

March 6th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

Is everyone here an engineer? It’s a philosophical question.

Oh, okay then. In that case too much is almost enough. But, really, wheatridger said it just fine.

And I’m not an engineer either.

How much apr is too much for a car

Saying you have a car with over 400 horsepower makes it sound like you’re a major speed demon.

Saying you have a car with 500 horsepower or more sounds nearly pornographic.

So I’ll go with 400 as the limiting number.

How much apr is too much for a car

No such thing as too much HP, that’s what the throttle is for isn’t it?

How much apr is too much for a car

I’ve had 405hp and now have 300hp and hardly ever floor it. Though I love both those motors more for the torque/sounds than the peak hp.

I’d say anything over 250 is excess and 500+ is ridiculous.

How much apr is too much for a car

I, like Jonny, drive a WRX. Unlike Jonny though, I felt it needed just a little more umph to fulfill it’s potential. The

280hp it makes now, thanks to some mild tweaking, feels about right for it.

On the other hand, the V6 RAV4 AWD my wife drives has 269hp. That thing is just plain alarming given the chassis it was, ahem, blessed with. Seriously, 220hp would have been just fine for its mission as a family truckster. I hate to think what the FWD version is like – a torque-steering nightmare, I suspect.

At same time, the Cooper S I also drive from time to time, with it’s “measly” 168 hp is perfect. Any more would be overkill and would alter the personality of the car, probably for the worse.

So I guess my answer is a big cop out, it depends on the application. But I seriously question the sanity of anyone who claims to “need” 300+hp in a regular car. 250 is probably ample for most. Of course that raises the question of needs vs wants. People don’t need plasma TVs, Jetskis, Viking ranges or outdoor hot tubs either…

How much apr is too much for a car

I had an 02 Hyundai Accent with 90hp. It was grossly underpowered. I now drive an 01 Impala with the 180hp 3.4L V6. I’d say it has adequate power, but certainly isn’t overpowered. My dad has a 97 Crown Vic with a 195hp V8, and while the low end torque isn’t bad, some more guts would be better.

All that said, I think the 250hp V8 in a stripped down Crown Vic police car is just about right.

Perfect would be a 6 cylinder diesel in said police car.

How much apr is too much for a car

my 200hp MKV GTI is plenty fast for the street…no reason for more.

its not about the power, its about balance.

i think the law of diminishing returns has to come into play here some where…when do you have more then you can use and are just wasting money/gas

I think which wheels are driven is quite important. FWD can do with less than RWD, and AWD needs a bit more. For RWD, weight in lbs/10 is my “ideal” amount of horsepower, for a car I drive on the streets. Roughly enough to both get into, and out of, trouble in any circumstance where the power is usable.

Where’s a Bugatti engineer when you need one?

“Our tests show that 1,000 hp is pedestrian, while 1,002 hp is just ostentatious. 1,001 hp it shall be. Harumph”

How much apr is too much for a car

Americans buy Horsepower and drive Torque

Sweet spot is around 85HP, 1200lbs.

Must have drums in the back.

How much apr is too much for a car

It’s more the power to weight ratio. Even the 230 hp that I belive is offered in the base Atom is ridiculous in a car weighing 1,000 lbs. As others have pointed out, torque at where peak torque occurs at are also big factors in how a vehicle accelerates, even more so than hp actually. For a car weighing in at 3,000 lbs, I feel that 220 hp and 220 ft-lbs of torque, occurring at 3,000 hp or lower, is adequate to motivate that car down the road in a spirited fashion. I also don’t see any need to artificially cap hp or top speed.

As to who buys these high hp cars and why. I think they’re bought because they generally are status symbols with low availability. They are also bought just so the owner can brag about how much hp his car has. The fact that it is a complete brick with ancient suspension and steering seems to be overlooked (Mustang). My wife, for instance, wants a new Mustang and insists that it needs to be the GT, even though I pointed out to her that the V6 makes almost as much hp and torque as her current 95 Cobra. She just can’t stand the idea of not having the more powerful engine.

How much apr is too much for a car

Fiddlesticks! There’s no such thing as too much horsepower. You just need wider tires.

How much apr is too much for a car

Horsepower is all too often used as a substitute for driving talent. It doesn’t require any amount of genius or skill to mash your right foot to the floor and punch a bigger hole in the ozone layer.

I like it, but I wish that we had less of it. It would force people to think more carefully about how they are going to make the vehicle perform, to anticipate what is going on around them, and to plan things more than a half-step ahead.

Just remember — when someone cuts you off, horsepower was probably a contributing factor. Those taillights belong to someone who believed that his car had enough power to insert itself where it didn’t belong.

How much apr is too much for a car

Just remember — when someone cuts you off, horsepower was probably a contributing factor. Those taillights belong to someone who believed that his car had enough power to insert itself where it didn’t belong.

And my car didn’t have enough power to prevent that from happening.

How much apr is too much for a car

Maybe the key ratio isn’t hp per mass, but rather hp per IQ. I would say that a 2:1 ratio would make a good law.

How much apr is too much for a car

For a car, I’ll say 400 hp is “too much horsepower”.

I only even use the 160 hp in my car when I want to; I never actually need it. Since the smaller engine – 10% more efficient and 148 hp – is now available in a Mazda3 hatchback I’d probably get that instead if I were buying my car new.

86er, I can tell you haven’t driven any cars with good high-revving engines and a manual transmission!

How much apr is too much for a car

It doesn’t require any amount of genius or skill to mash your right foot to the floor and punch a bigger hole in the ozone layer.

Ozone layer? Please explain, Pch101!

How much apr is too much for a car

For me, an MX-5 delivers more driving enjoyment on public roads than a 911 Turbo. No, I don’t own an MX-5 and yes, I’ve driven a 911 Turbo. I’m a lifetime subscriber to the belief that it’s more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow — which is basically what you’re doing 99.9% of the time in any of today’s high-power cars. There are just as many laughs available at less than 200 hp as there are above 400.

How much apr is too much for a car

“How much horsepower is too much?”

I don’t know. I just know we haven’t gotten there yet.

How much apr is too much for a car

In all honest, one horsepower per 20 or so pounds of curb weight is usually plenty for livable, respectable performance. With a reasonably flat torque curve and appropriate gearing, that will get you 0-60 times in less than 9 seconds, which is plenty adequate for daily driving. More than that may be fun, but how often do you really get to use it?

How much apr is too much for a car

My first car had a 1.1L engine rated at massive 45hp!

Even though I am not sure that all the horses were still under the hood, that littel VW got me comfortable from A to B, with plenty of time to enjoy the view. After this start I find most car since, way overpowered…

How much apr is too much for a car

How much is enough? As someone who went from a 400hp M5 to a 158hp 190E: I still dream of that M5… with a twin supercharger setup.

How much apr is too much for a car

It depends on the song on the radio.

How much apr is too much for a car

I have a 460 hp engine and probably spend only 30 seconds each day at wide open throttle, driving to and from work.

Personally I think 500hp would be enough for most people living in a 65mph speed zone just driving around and not doing any racing.

Of course if you liked going fast not even 1000 would be enough…

How much apr is too much for a car

While it may be true that “more is more”, always remember that it is MUCH more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow.

Let’s see, my brother prefers one horse-power, two if you count his wife’s horse.

How much apr is too much for a car

My car has 355HP in 3100 lbs, a notable chassis, and AWD. I run out of driving ability before it runs out of acceleration. Unlike many, I realize that. I was prepared to buy the next model up, but it was INSANE.

How much apr is too much for a car

My Diamante has 205 hp and 230 lb-ft of torque. I don’t have any problems at all. It’s got more power (and torque steer!) than it can actually put down. My traction control activates 3-4 times daily (twice that when on wet roads), and I don’t drive particularly aggressively.

My 141 hp Galant had a perfectly fine amount without people and stuff aboard. It felt a bit underpowered with three people and a trunkload of luggage on a trip to North Carolina during Spring Break in 2006, but that was the only time I really wished for more power.

I’ve done Washington, DC, traffic in Corollas and Cobalts and felt just fine.

You guys are power freaks!

Im OK with 262 HP. 261, and it feels like an eternity. 263, and it’s too nuts.

How much apr is too much for a car

Most SUVs feel rather underpowered, but of course, I’m talking TrailBlazers with 285 hp, Explorers with 240 hp, and Expeditions with 300 hp. The problem is obviously not weight, but then we get into the whole argument about how much weight/space/metal people really need around them. Nobody needs that much, except when towing with five or more people actually on board, and possibly luggage.

When’s the last time you saw any SUV towing and carrying more than 1-2 people?

Why does the Toyota Sienna need the ability to do a 50-foot burnout?

How much apr is too much for a car

For me, an MX-5 delivers more driving enjoyment on public roads than a 911 Turbo.

Well, sure, but Jonny is starting from the premise that you appreciate muscle and what it can do for your soul, but you also understand that outside the drag racing context at some point additional horses don’t add anything to the muscle/exotic car experience.

My serious answer is to reference (if possible) the amount of horsepower you actually use at your least conservative moments. Just because a car can develop 500 horses doesn’t mean it will ever develop that much power in your hands. Most posers would be surprised at how few horses their big displacement engines are putting out most of the time, and how far short of the maximum hp those engines reach even when the driver is being (what he considers) very, very bad. That’s the point where any extra money spent on horsepower is wasted.

How much apr is too much for a car

My vote for the most practical car ever goes to the Mazda5. 25+ highway MPG, six seats, huge cargo space with seats folded, available manual transmission, great visibility, and it actually fits in a regular parking spot!

How much apr is too much for a car

“Why does the Toyota Sienna need the ability to do a 50-foot burnout?”

And herein lies the paradox with my won question, as I can think of multiple reasons why a Sienna needs to do 50-foot burnouts.

How much apr is too much for a car

March 6th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

My vote for the most practical car ever goes to the Mazda5. 25+ highway MPG, six seats, huge cargo space with seats folded, available manual transmission, great visibility, and it actually fits in a regular parking spot!

AGREED. Hence the ’07 Mazda5 the wife now has.

My ’99 Miata NEVER feels underpowered with 140 HP, and my ’93 Probe GT (Mazda 2.5 V6, 164 HP) is one runnin’ sumbitch from idle to redline.

My ’84 RX-7 GSL-SE had 135 HP, was FAST, felt faster than my ’86 RX-7 with 145 HP because it was heavier.

I STRONGLY suggest that ALL TTAC readers make it a duty to road test a Miata and a Mazdaspeed3, then report back with HP:FUN ratio comments.

irrelevant question; it’s entirely dependent on how much weight.

I will base on my car, though. I’d say 300 wheel horsepower would be the upper limit of useful power: it’s wrong wheel drive with an open differential so any more would just become more tire smoke. 300bhp in

3200lb car is pretty healthy.

How much apr is too much for a car

I’ve been wondering about that question ever since I saw Car and Driver’s test of the 07 V-6 Camry. I’ve referenced it here before. 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. As quick as a base Porsche Boxster. I thought to myself “this is a family car, right?”

You want to talk about sloooooooow cars? Watch a clip of a small car on Fifth Gear or Top Gear. They measure the quarter-mile with sundials.

How much apr is too much for a car

For me, an MX-5 delivers more driving enjoyment on public roads than a 911 Turbo. No, I don’t own an MX-5 and yes, I’ve driven a 911 Turbo. I’m a lifetime subscriber to the belief that it’s more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow — which is basically what you’re doing 99.9% of the time in any of today’s high-power cars. There are just as many laughs available at less than 200 hp as there are above 400.

Having gone from a highly modified Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 to an unmodified Toyota Corolla GT-S, I disagree. While flinging a lightweight car around corners is fun, there is nothing as intoxicating as the surge of power that arrives when the turbo spools up and the boost kicks in. It’s been mathematically proven that the amount of boost you can push through an engine is directly proportional to the width of the grin on your face.

How much apr is too much for a car

There can never be too much horsepower. The bigger problem is lack of judgment when using it.

How much apr is too much for a car

It’s been mathematically proven that the amount of boost you can push through an engine is directly proportional to the width of the grin on your face.

Miata’s love boost. I love my boosted Miata.

And people think I drive a girly car. Mwwahahaha!

How much apr is too much for a car

March 6th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

March 6th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

My vote for the most practical car ever goes to the Mazda5. 25+ highway MPG, six seats, huge cargo space with seats folded, available manual transmission, great visibility, and it actually fits in a regular parking spot!

AGREED. Hence the ‘07 Mazda5 the wife now has.

My ‘99 Miata NEVER feels underpowered with 140 HP, and my ‘93 Probe GT (Mazda 2.5 V6, 164 HP) is one runnin’ sumbitch from idle to redline.

My ‘84 RX-7 GSL-SE had 135 HP, was FAST, felt faster than my ‘86 RX-7 with 145 HP because it was heavier.

I STRONGLY suggest that ALL TTAC readers make it a duty to road test a Miata and a Mazdaspeed3, then report back with HP:FUN ratio comments.

A close second is the four-cylinder Kia Rondo with the $385 third-row option. It’ll technically hold one more (seven seatbelts) compared to the Mazda, but the styling’s not nearly as neat and the third row is barely useable. I’m 6’4″ and weigh 220 lbs, and I can fit in the Mazda’s third row.

How much apr is too much for a car

When you waste more time at the pumps than you make up for on the road, you have too much horsepower.

When showing off your muscle makes your date wet herself, you have too much horsepower.

When your tire retailer offers to help you move house, you have too much horsepower.

When you have to clean the bug splatter off the driver side window, you have too much horsepower.

When your Aveo is repossessed, you had too much horsepower.

My current daily driver has 90 HP. Take away the turbo and it is only 45 HP. Mind you it is also a Diesel, so it has mountains of torque while lacking in big HP numbers.

I can drive it at triple digit speeds, breaking the law in everywhere except Germany and still get in excess of 40 MPG. If I drive it like a granny I can get in excess of 50 MPG. If I drive pretty much normally (which for me is a tad lead-footed) I get 45-50 MPG.

So, speaking from the truly Goldilocks “just right” position why do I need more?

How much apr is too much for a car

Because more is never enough.

How much apr is too much for a car

My audi A6 Avant with the 2.8 v6 weighs in at 3500 lbs. I never really looked at the spec sheet, but I’m guessing 240 hp. I can haul enough ass with that.

My 92 Accord Wagon with the 2.2 spec’e 140 hp, and weighed 3100 lbs. It got me there.

To paraphrase Nicholson, from “the departed”, “in this country, it don’t add inches to your d#ck”

When I was a kid, a similar discussion was frequently had about a woman’s optimal breast size. It was generally agreed that anything above a C cup was wasteful, or words to that effect.

I think 280 horses for an a large or midsize vehicle is the automotive equivalent of a woman’s breasts….

How much apr is too much for a car

It all depends on how much the car weighs, what it’s designed to do, and how many wheels are putting power to the ground. The 250ish HP in the LGT feels perfect for a car its weight… not too fast, not too slow, and the AWD ensures all that power goes straight to the ground (that that it couldn’t use a STI-style blower, but it doesn’t *need* it). But add a few hundred pounds to the equation and FWD, a la the new Accord coupe, and it’s simultaneously too much and not enough. I personally don’t see why any car (note I said car, that does not include SUVs) needs more than 300hp, and most smaller ones (the Civics of the world) don’t even need half that. So I’ll say anything over 300 is too much. You don’t need it, and few members of the general population would even know how to handle it.

How much apr is too much for a car

I went from a 450hp toyota supra (in the shop for modifications) to a 160hp honda prelude. Huge different in power, but driving styles are totally different. The supra is more of cruising and the prelude is more of getting from point a to point b, which is enough. But back to the question I believe 200hp is enough for a four cylinder, 280-300hp for a V6 and about 350-400hp for a V8.

How much apr is too much for a car

A famous engineer is alleged to have once said “Simplicate and add lightness”.

Nothing about more horsepower there.

The 3 most fun vehicles I have ever owned were/are

1) My ’89 Honda CRX Si (110 hp)

2) My ex-wife’s ’91 Miata (115 hp)

3) My ’95 Honda Nighthawk 750 motorcycle (65 hp and I never use more than 40)

Quit cranking up the engines. Crank down the weight.

Low mass is a virtuous circle.

How much apr is too much for a car

For a typical 4000 lb. vehicle 300-350 is good; anything over 400 is excessive. My wife’s Town and Country with 190 hp is grossly underpowered now that I have a 340 hp 300C.

Somewhere between the late 80’s and today car makers decided that reducung weight no longer mattered which requires more horsepower. Of course when gas is around $1.50/gallon they’re right but with gas headed towards $4.00 those 4800 lb. Buick Enclaves have way too much in common with pre-1977 full size cars. A 1976 Buick Electra and a 2008 Buick Enclave weigh about the same; the only difference is that today’s land barges are shorter.

How much apr is too much for a car

I don’t care what anyone says, you can never have to many women, to much money, or to much horsepower.

I’d like my vette to have a 408 spoolin twin GT35Rs to the tune of 1000rwhp with some chemical intercooling safety sake, ya know?

How much apr is too much for a car

Anything more than sufficient to hit sub 10 second 0-60 times is simply wasteful.

Most of the world of automotive engineering seems to have gotten things ridiculously upside down during these past two decades of horsepower wars and Super Size Me design. A Toyota Camry has put on almost 20% more weight from 1991-2008 and dropped from a 2000 lb. rated towing capacity to 1000 lbs. The base 4 cylinder engine has also grown 20% in size to keep up with the porky body and horsepower is up 37%. Oddly enough, even though the outside dimensions all grew, the interior volume barely budged from 112 to 116 cubic feet. Trunk volume also barely increased from 14.9 to 15.0 cu. ft. The 1991 Camry was a model of functional design with a decidedly Volvo 240 like boxy profile. The 2008 Camry has stupid bumps and bulges everywhere which do little to improve function and look bad at the same time.

Yes, I’m an engineer!

How much apr is too much for a car

The point isn’t wether or not you can ever use the power or if you “need” it, its pushing the limits of what a car can do. My 240 hp 227 ft/lb torque I6 in my 3200lb car feels great and can spin the rear wheels in 1st and chirp them shifting into 2nd but I still want more. I haven’t even bought the supercharger I’ve been planning to get and I’m already starting to think maybe I should save up for the turbo instead. Just because I have that much power doesn’t mean I would smoke the tires all the way through 4th gear but it would be nice being able to do so from time to time.

How much apr is too much for a car

Here is what bothers me about the article. They claim that the vehicle has 4 120kW motors. At maximum output, assuming that the things run on 120 Volt current like our house does, each of them would be sucking 1,000 Amps. Oops the fuse just blew. How they going to get that much juice into the thing and how are they going to store it with current battery technology, and how are they going to handle it without using cables as thick as your arm?

As for how much hp does a car need. the answer is it depends. How much does the car weigh, how is it driven (fwd, rwd, 4wd), what tires. My 3200 lbs Honda Accord with a 3L V6 and 200 hp is just fine. A lot more power would make the fwd car unpleasant to drive. A Vette is built to handle a lot more power and would not be fun with a 200 hp motor. OTOH, I am listening to the weather and we are due for snow, sleet, and freezing temperatures. I would rather be driving the Honda in that weather.

How much apr is too much for a car

When showing off your muscle makes your date wet herself, you have too much horsepower.

Interpretation #1 (probably what you intended): agree.

Interpretation #2: disagree.

Interpretation #3: no comment.

Interpretation #4: no comment.

I don’t know exactly how much is too much, but I do know that there are a lot of overpowered cars out there, and a lot of cars that weigh too much. If I ran the world, no car would weigh more than about 3,000 lbs.

I also know that I prefer my ’99 Accord with 135 hp, I believe, to the 2004 Impala I rented for a month that year which had a v6 and 211 hp, because the engine on the Accord is far more refined. I also preferred my late father’s ’95 Volvo 940, underpowered with a slushbox, again because the 4cyl was incredibly refined. You could flog the hell out of that thing and it wouldn’t complain. But the Impala was all NVH.

I also prefer handling to HP and torque.

Nonetheless, I’d happily take maybe 25% more HP in the Accord. More than that? Meh.

How much apr is too much for a car

Yeah, but Colin Chapman was a sportscar man. I wouldn’t want him designing a family car, unless it was for people that wanted to punish their children with a rough ride and no creature comforts whatsoever. One of the most overused phrases in all autodom. You have to offer the stuff people want. The stuff people want adds weight, which means to maintain the same performance you need more power. That simple enough?

How much apr is too much for a car

Picking an arbitrary limit on HP is like asking 100 people what the best oil for your vehicle is. You’ll get 100 answers.

Theoretically, you can never really have too much HP – depends on how much you’re willing to pay. There does come a point though where you reach diminishing returns on money spent for power. And in the real world, the price of fuel and insurance will limit that amount.

And of course the power to weight ratio, the skill and maturity level of the driver, where the vehicle is to be driven, weather and road conditions, etc. all play a part in what the maximum HP can safely be.

As TTAC readers know, every vehicle is a series of compromises in design and function. Sure we could buy a 0-60 mph in 3 second car, but at what price? Where could you actually drive it at those power outputs and speeds? Where could you actually park it and not have it stolen in 3 seconds?

How much apr is too much for a car

haha… @ the 4 interpretations. anyways, my 91 corolla with 110hp or so (according to wikipedia) never ever feels underpowered. The chasis starts to shake around 70 mph though. But the acceleration is amazing to me… it must be b/c its light or maybe its the gearing… I dont know what it is, but it feels like it goes. I know it doesn’t actually go tha tfast, but it gives you the feeling of going fast.

How much apr is too much for a car

It doesn`t matter how much horsepower you have, All that matters is that it is at least 1Hp more than your neighbour has. human nature.

How much apr is too much for a car

220 hp was just fine in my 97 turbo eclispe, it was a blast getting to highway speed and them some! but I do like the linear curve to my 175 hp 02 altima 2.5 5sp…would of love to try the 3.5 6cyl though I do enjoy getting almost 30 mpg on a long trip because the worst I get is 28 on a 5 day work week, 500 miles to the 18 gallon tank!

How much apr is too much for a car

One horsepower per pound of driver weight.

I’d say that around 250bhp is probably enough for most peoples driving ability.

It’s controversial but I think people driving over 300bhp in the UK should have to pass an advanced driving test. I say UK because, on the whole, our roads are more challenging than those in the US.

Before people howl of state intervention think of it like this; people pass a driving test in a car that probably has less than 85bhp and yet they then become fully qualified to drive something 10 times more powerful…

How much apr is too much for a car

Hp to weight ratio matters most. My bike is around 8 lbs per horse. My car is around 20 to 1. I think that is a better way to compare cars and the lower the number the more the joy factor, but realistically it is still a customer decision for the time being. I’m sure regulation is being drafted to change that.

How much apr is too much for a car

Two hundred horsepower per ton, is both useful, practical, and fun.

How much apr is too much for a car

Even the hairest Lotus Elise pumps out less than 200hp, but that is plenty.

Likewise 90hp is great fun in a Mini.

How much apr is too much for a car

I think the optimum for a street car would be somewhere between 160 hp for 1800 lbs and 350 hp for 3000 lbs. You need a higher power-to-weight ratio in a heavier car to make up for the loss of agility. This is for a pretty aero-slick car, if you’re pushing a brick through the air you probably want some more so it won’t feel slow on the highway.

I also think that 50-100 through the gears or in the lowest gear that will do 100 is a much better test of a car’s accelerative ability than any measure involving a standing start. For one, it’s more repeatable – no major differences between surfaces, no clutch and tire slip to master. For another, the 100-MPH finish is fast enough that a sticky-tired, low-geared Miata isn’t gonna test better than cars that will burn it on the highway.

How much apr is too much for a car

I have 115hp in my golf, and it’s certainly enough for all the situations I can think of, unless we have 3-4 people in the car.

Sure, I lust after a GTI or equivalent, but would I use 200+hp? Probably not.

How much apr is too much for a car

Here is what bothers me about the article. They claim that the vehicle has 4 120kW motors. At maximum output, assuming that the things run on 120 Volt current like our house does, each of them would be sucking 1,000 Amps. Oops the fuse just blew. How they going to get that much juice into the thing and how are they going to store it with current battery technology, and how are they going to handle it without using cables as thick as your arm?

The 120 kW in-wheel motors have been demonstrated by the manufacturer (PML) since 2006, and apparently Volvo intends to use them in future production models.

They are rated at 350 V (DC), peak power comes up at 400V.

Batteries with sufficient power density exist. Add capacitors for short acceleration surges with demand for high amps.

How much apr is too much for a car

I’ve always thought the formula for ideal horsepower is much like the formula for ideal income. The ideal amount is usually 20% more than you currently have.

Currently at about 430HP and that’s not enough, so I think my formula is still accurate.

How much apr is too much for a car

I think 250hp is the upper limit of a fwd car. Any more and the torque steer is crazy. Add a lsd to fight that and you’ve got a major heavy front end and unbalanced car. But you shouldn’t ever have a fwd car that is so heavy that you would ever want more than 250hp. Other than that, the more the merrier. As long as your not planning on driving in the snow, sure send 1000hp to the rear wheels. My car is rwd, 3300lbs, 230hp, no traction control, and while I can spin the wheels in 4th in the rain, I still would like a bit more hp. 400 seems like a good number for that weight. Obviously the power to weight ratio is the real question.

How much apr is too much for a car

It may not matter how much we all think is too much, because the IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) is about to start sabre-rattling to limit or curtail the current HP escalation, from what I’ve read.

And, as if on cue, Audi unleashes the 572-HP RS 6 Avant, which will plaster your kids to the rear window faster than just about anything else that can carry 5 people and all their stuff!

Johnny – I’m guessing that your “420HP seems about right” comment stems from your now-legendary review of the RS4?

How much apr is too much for a car

As a racer – maximum power means nothing b/c traction and balance is all that matters. That means low mass, great suspension and brakes, and a linear powerband. Peaky engines can get you caught out of powerband and left behind, too much power causes loss of traction and a 20 lap race becomes much harder (white knuckles), too big an engine upsets the balance of the car and leads to incurable under/over steer at the limits – especially where a concrete wall is 2-3 feet away at your turn in from a bumpy braking zone.

This understanding has lead me to the opinion that I really don’t care too much about how much total power a car makes…I care about the balance of the chassis, brakes, engine.

The only time I’ve ever “needed” a v8 is in my tow vehicle – a 2500HD Silverdo. All other cars I’ve ever owned only have 4 cylinders – just with properly built ones. These include mainly Honda 4 cylinders (for inline 4 cylinders with normal aspiration…they are simply the class (with our without VTEC) of the field with proper technology, a decent flat torque curve that provides power all the way to redline. Compare that to an ecotec engine that tapers off long before it shakes itself to death or a appliance Camry 2.4 engine. Some of my favorites still today are Porsche’s 2.5 8v and even better the 3.0 16v in the S2 that revs to redline properly (you’d not believe the difficulty many a stock Mustang or Camaro has in trying to pull away from me), or the 16v 2.3 Cosworth or M3 engines – legends in their own time. In fact the only engine I’ve had that was woefully inadequate was the 2.5 iron duke olds omega, 2.2 liter Dodge 600, Mazda Protege5 (wound up putting a turbo kit on it b/c n/a it was pretty weak).

How much apr is too much for a car

115-160hp usually does it, as long as it weighs way under a ton ;)

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